03 Awd Lift

03 Awd Lift

Postby Rbennett2082 [OP] » November 9th 2016, 12:12am

Ok guys and gals

I have been reading thread after thread and researching tons of Lift info for my 2003 Awd. Have decided to make it easy and go with a 2'' lift from Overland, with bumper relocation brackets. Plan on running Kumho AT51 LT225/75/r16 tires. I don't do any serious offroading just looking for the extra ground clearance and the weight capacity of a real truck tire not the punny P-met tires they expect us to run on these vans. Is there anything I need to know before I proceed with this. I know there is gonna be people out there who say source the parts its cheaper, or do this or do that. That's fine but I want a one stop buy that has been proven to work, I have no patience for incorrect parts or doing the job again because this or that didn't fit or having to wait for the right part to come in. I'm confident the lifht will go in with ease, my biggest question is tire fitment. Everything I read show 29'' max and maybe still some trimming. The 225/75/16 comes in at 29.2 inches will the .2'' actually cause a problem or will there be just a little more trimming needed to make them work. I can downsize to the 235/70/16 but will lose that 2600lb capacity per tire. Before I get the use this website for sizing or do this or do that. Trust me I have stuffed some huge tires on small cars. Currently running 185/60/15 on the front of my Smart that came with 155/60/15. So be honest do I run the 225 and trim a little more, or should I run the 235 and know it will work. I know different MFG's have slightly different specs for a tire size, or tire tread group. 225/75/16 AT 29.2'', 225/75/16 MT 29.4''. Please help with an honest answer.

Thanks will get some pics posted soon.
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby TurnNburnTurnNburn is online! » November 9th 2016, 12:17am

Seems like you have already made up your mind, so just get the lift kit and tires you want and trim accordingly
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby astrotardis » November 9th 2016, 2:02am

I'd probably stick with the smaller size of 29.2 tire with a 2 inch lift. I've got a 3-4 in lift and aggressive 29.5 at tires and I had to do a decent amount of trimming to get no rub at articulation on the front. If it's not a really aggressive big blocky tread a 29.4 might work with trimming a little more than the 29.2 tire. I could have gone to a 30in tire instead of a 29.5 but I would have had to really trim things up. that and my slider probably would have not open all the way so I played it safe and went 29.5. I suggest getting a tire size you are OK with but also playing it safe at the same time and you should be ok!
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby Rbennett2082 [OP] » November 9th 2016, 7:36pm

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Thanks for the input, you gave a response that was actually worth reading. I am not looking at running mud tires in any way. The van is for camping and light off road use so a mild A/T will work just fine. (Kumho At51, Cooper At/3, Bfg A/T Etc..) The job the GM design team did with tire OE tire size on these vans is crap. You have a van that weighs as much as the 1500 Express and uses a tire that is suited for a Lesabre. At least the guys running the 5 lug wheel have the option of an LT tire that is under the 29'' mark and will work with the 2'' lift. It's us 6 lug guys who got the short end of the stick for tire options. No LT tire sizes under 29.2'' hence my original question will the .2'' larger diameter require more trimming then a 29'' tire. In theory it should but when the 2'' lift was designed and measurements were taken how critical is the 29'' max tire size. I guess I should have just asked does anyone out there have an AWD with 2'' lift and are or have run the LT225/75/16 tire and if so was there any issues.
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby astrotardis » November 10th 2016, 1:21am

No problem man!! Good luck with the build!! I'm sure some other members will chime in with their info along the way.
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby Rbennett2082 [OP] » November 17th 2016, 7:46pm

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With the trimming you had to do looking at the pics of your van with the BFG's on it, was a majority of the clearance issues with the bumper cover or was there equally the same amount of trimming need on the lower fender as well. I dont have any issues trimming a plastic bumper cover as it will never rust, but I do have an issue trimming a large amount out of a fender as they will rust, especially in the Wisconsin winter weather.
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby WimpazzWimpazz is online! » November 17th 2016, 7:55pm

RB- With 225/75/16 on 2" lift, you should be OK just bending in the ears on the front of the wheel well, next to where the front bumper cover wraps around... like this:

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If you do cut, I'd fill in any gaps with Mighty Mend-it, or something like that, then hit is with a think layer of paint or undercoating.

I'm running 235/75/16 on the BatVan and needed to trim a lot of plastic as well.
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby Rbennett2082 [OP] » November 21st 2016, 10:09pm

So after much debate with tire sizes, and trimming I have made the final decision to run the Kumho AT51 in a 235/70/16. It's not the LT series I was hoping for but definitely a higher load capacity then the puny 215/70/16 on there now. Also the 2'' is a starting point I am hoping to talk the wife into a 4-5'' lift next year. After she sees how much more capable the van is with the 2'' this winter, she will ok the funds for the upgrade next year. On a different note anyone running a Kumho RoadVenture MT, or the Federal Couragia in a 205/80/16. Seems like this would be the ideal tire size for the 2'' lift. Comes in an 8ply with and LT rating.
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby Rbennett2082 [OP] » December 5th 2016, 4:58pm

So I dropped the van off at the shop this morning for the 2'' Overland Vans Lift and to have 5 Kumho 235/70/16 At51's installed. Here are some pics of the van pre-lift. Will post a response and pics of it post lift.
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby srdragonusa » December 5th 2016, 6:08pm

Sorry I missed this post. I bought my 03 AWD it came with 225 70 r16 BFG Long Trail tires I had no rubs, I've done the Journeys Offroad 2" - 5" lift It's currently at 3" rear and 2" Front I'll get around to bumping up the front one of these days. The tires are new so I won't be replacing them any time soon and I haven't been off road yet. I plan to move to a more aggressive A/T tire later. I'm good with 3" lift as I have a 16" Topper and it's tall enough.

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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby Rbennett2082 [OP] » December 7th 2016, 7:31pm

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The shop called this morning lift is done so will be picking up the van tonight. Will shoot some pics and give some feed back on the lift and tire selection over the next few days.
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby WimpazzWimpazz is online! » December 7th 2016, 8:07pm

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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby 1lowcab » December 7th 2016, 8:58pm

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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby nonhog » December 7th 2016, 9:59pm

Cool! I have been dragging my feet to install my 2" lift. Fun to see yours!
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby WimpazzWimpazz is online! » December 7th 2016, 10:41pm

nonhog wrote:Cool! I have been dragging my feet to install my 2" lift. Fun to see yours!


Stop sand-baggin' and start working!
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby Mmusicman » December 7th 2016, 11:29pm

Rbennett2082 wrote:I am hoping to talk the wife into a 4-5'' lift next year. After she sees how much more capable the van is with the 2'' this winter, she will ok the funds for the upgrade next year..

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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby Rbennett2082 [OP] » December 8th 2016, 1:20am

Ok so picked up the van. Did a quick measurement currently at 32 inches on the front wheel wells and 33.25 on the rear wheel wells. With the 235/70/16's there is definitely no need to trim anything. I will post up some pics tomorrow as is it dark here.
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby Ken2.7 » December 8th 2016, 1:27am

Did you go with shackles on the rear leaf springs?
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Re: 03 Awd Lift

Postby Rbennett2082 [OP] » December 8th 2016, 2:00am

I'm running the 2" Overland Vans kit with the addition iof the Journeys off-road spring hangers this eliminates the need for pinion shims. Bob at CNC off-road in Kenosha did the install and made the recommendation of adding the spring hangers to solve any vibration issues. He made bumper brackets in house to save on the cost and seeing they are temporary. I will be discussing custom built front and rear bumpers with him this spring.
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