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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby Big_kid » November 27th 2016, 3:52am

Jeez... split topic, create new topic, go back to original topic, find the first page posts didn't split, split topic again, find new topic just created, merge the 2 new topics... I need a raise! Double my salary! LOL! (it was kinda fun trying to figure out how to do it all) :mrgreen:

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Postby WoodButcher » November 27th 2016, 4:13am

Almost had me there Kid with the tough job bit. :violin:
Almost agreed to the raise but,,,,

if your having that much fun we'll let you do it for free! :whack:

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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby markmitch » November 27th 2016, 4:28am

I second that motion! here here!
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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby AstroWill » November 27th 2016, 5:08am

Big_kid wrote:Jeez... split topic, create new topic, go back to original topic, find the first page posts didn't split, split topic again, find new topic just created, merge the 2 new topics... I need a raise! Double my salary! LOL! (it was kinda fun trying to figure out how to do it all) :mrgreen:

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I vote for triple your current salary!

Thanks for all the hard(?) work!
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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby Big_kid » November 27th 2016, 5:36pm

If I didn't enjoy it I'd have told Austin to stick it in the tailpipe of his Astro way back when. Honestly though, Randy does most of the work, Leeann_93 helps when she can too. Gets me to thinking... Where's Ted and Black89CS?
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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby icebrrg3rd » November 28th 2016, 6:49pm

Hey Big_kid, do we need to split this thread again? Wandering from the threadjacked topic mentioning the other moderators... :poke:

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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby markmitch » November 28th 2016, 7:25pm

hmmm so what happened to the other half of this split thread?
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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby sixsix » November 28th 2016, 8:15pm

Aaaahhhh...

I Live For "Split Threads" - I am just in heaven.



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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby Mmusicman » November 29th 2016, 2:02am

markmitch wrote:hmmm so what happened to the other half of this split thread?

I was wondering the same thing! So the hijack WAS keeping it alive! :shock:
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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby AstroWill » November 29th 2016, 2:22am

Mmusicman wrote:
markmitch wrote:hmmm so what happened to the other half of this split thread?

I was wondering the same thing! So the hijack WAS keeping it alive! :shock:


It's in the vehicles for sale section.
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Postby Mmusicman » November 29th 2016, 2:35am

Oh... I only view the active threads.
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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby markmitch » November 29th 2016, 3:23am

ok thanks
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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby AstroWill » November 29th 2016, 5:53am

Mmusicman wrote:Oh... I only view the active threads.


I do that as well, but because of the date of the last post, it's now on the 2nd page of the active topics list.
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Re: V-8 'Stro needs a new home

Postby DRZ » November 29th 2016, 8:50am

Astro Pop wrote:I think AstroWill is right. I recall, somewhere in here, something about a vehicle for sale???


I always thought it odd that we try to sell a vehicle to the people that already have at least one of them.
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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby sixsix » November 29th 2016, 2:33pm

DRZ wrote:I always thought it odd that we try to sell a vehicle to the people that already have at least one of them.

I dunno'... but ...
Seems like the First , Most Natural , Audience.

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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby Big_kid » November 29th 2016, 3:07pm

This is also where people researching/searching for a van end up. It's why I keep posting the links to auctions when a van pops up.
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Re: V-8 'Stro needs a new home

Postby icebrrg3rd » November 29th 2016, 5:47pm

DRZ wrote:
Astro Pop wrote:I think AstroWill is right. I recall, somewhere in here, something about a vehicle for sale???


I always thought it odd that we try to sell a vehicle to the people that already have at least one of them.


And how many do you own... :poke:

Quite a few people here are stockpiling the vans, and some people are looking to find a replacement van. So it's a good a place as any I suppose, except we all want a rockbottom price and know all the problem areas...

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Re: V-8 'Stro needs a new home

Postby AstroWill » November 29th 2016, 10:00pm

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DRZ wrote:
Astro Pop wrote:I think AstroWill is right. I recall, somewhere in here, something about a vehicle for sale???


I always thought it odd that we try to sell a vehicle to the people that already have at least one of them.


And how many do you own... :poke:

Quite a few people here are stockpiling the vans, and some people are looking to find a replacement van. So it's a good a place as any I suppose, except we all want a rockbottom price and know all the problem areas...

Indeed, because we know how cheap they can be had if you have patience and keep looking.

I have bought a couple off of here, would have been more if the descriptions would have been accurate.
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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby AndyH » December 13th 2016, 4:53pm

I have resisted for ages not to get involved in this discussion.

Not wishing to upset anyone BUT!!!!!

Let me correct a few misconceptions about performance motors running EFI, that is possibly the most stupid comment i have heard...sorry!!!

Even NASCAR has had to admit that the 40 year old relationship with the Holley carb is at an end, so the question remains, in high horsepower, high torque applications (constant high speed race cars) who the F**K uses carbs anymore? and why do you think it is so?

I was working for Cosworth engineering in the early 90's on the HB and DFR-DFX engines, in particular the EFI and fuelling design department, i then moved to Benneton to do much the same....not one carb was considered...i wonder why?

EFI can, and does allow minute changes to individual cylinders per revolution, combined with the same timing adjustment abilities allows perfect fuel / air ratio to be achieved, add in the fact that a V8 has inherent issues on the middle cylinders that run hotter than the end, fuel adjustments can (and are) made to reduce this problem, if not completely eliminate it.

Explain then, the technical / mechanical / fuelling advantages that a simple carb gives over EFI?
The fact that (and i dont mean this disrespectfully) American racing, mechanics and the populace like simple engines, simple carbs, you have resisted what the rest of the world has embraced because of the inherent lack of understanding.

I agree that EFI was a problematic child, hell, i will openly admit that, but it has grown up and far out performs in every single department that grandpa carb has no way of achieving. The one and only saving grace of grandpa is its simplicity of use and the fact that the backwards by-waters of hillbilly country know how to fix it.
I know Hollies, inside and out, i love them as i have grown up with American cars, but i also grew up with technology and i moved with it, understanding its flaws as well as its bonus points.

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Let go of grandpa and let the old giffer die in peace, he is an inefficient old fart who lost his edge in 1939 when Mercedes Benz first fitted it to the BF109 and the Brits suddenly realised there was a distinct advantage in performance applications, the next gen Rolls Royce Merlin engine was fitted with FI and regained the advantage, even NA sourced the engine for its P51.
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Re: V-8 'Stro... split threadjack

Postby Mmusicman » December 13th 2016, 6:12pm

AndyH wrote:...possibly the most stupid comment i have heard...sorry!!!
...who the F**K uses carbs anymore?

Wow! I'm going to assume that in part, your comments include me to some degree for supporting carbs... I the F**K still use carbs!

Explain then, the technical / mechanical / fuelling advantages that a simple carb gives over EFI?

I'm going to attempt to answer this short and sweet (from "my" perspective), so someone even as "advanced" as you can follow along. Carb advantages:

* Technical advantage: Simplicity! No electronics, no wiring, no sensors, no computers involved. WIN!
* Mechanical advantage: A simple mechanical device! A fuel line, and linkage! WIN!
* Fuel: No fuel advantage.

Yes, I consider simplicity an advantage and a win!
So MUCH less to fail in a real practical world!

You comment about sensors is a classic, it proves your lack of diagnostic abilities with complex systems...

This only proves your possible ignorance on knowing anything about me, or anyone who might prefer a carb setup. I for one, work with very high tech computer systems all day long. But I don't "need" them everywhere in my life, or in my basic hot-rod V8's... sometimes simple works just fine, if not better. I'm not NASCAR... I don't run at the track! I'm not turning high-rpm's or squeezing HP... practical cubic inch torque works just fine for me. My 92 didn't come with EFI .. and I'm not going to go out of my way to add it. Just for the record, I also work just fine with the ODBII V6 system diagnostics technology on my 2000. It certainly gives me more issues than my carbureted V8 does!

You may not realize this... but not everything is a "performance competition". Sometimes simplicity, reliability, practicality, and value wins! My carbureted upgraded V8 engine in my 92 is simple, was inexpensive, and works perfectly! I have practical tire-burning power (more than I need) and get better fuel mileage than the previous V6 did. I don't need high-technology to feel good about myself.

Can an EFI setup beat it? I guess that answer would depend on what you are comparing. When it comes to performance, no one is questioning EFI's superiority. But there are other things I consider equally of value... which I have answered.

Narrow minded points of view are not welcome. We all customize and modify differently... with what we like, what we know, what we have available, what is affordable, what we consider practical, etc, etc... the list of reasons is long. There is no right or wrong.

But I can show you ENDLESS threads on this forum about poorly running high tech engines with so many things that can fail!

Let go of grandpa...

Maybe we should just "let go" of these old vans too. Who are YOU to say?

I'm quite happy with my old school set up! It burns rubber, runs perfectly, gets great fuel economy, is simple and reliable! Sounds pretty awesome too! End of story. I'm fortunate that I can run a simple carbureted engine in my state. My 92 didn't come with EFI or a V8 either, but I found a simple easy way to accomplish my wishes. Why on earth would I want to complicate what works so well for me already?

If you have the desire or need for EFI... the go for it! EFI no doubt has some performance advantages, and is certainly here to stay. There are even very nice performance aftermarket setups as well. Whether or not these particular advantages are worth the expense and complexity, particularly with an Astro V8 upgrade, is totally up to you!

But when it comes to packing a simple and strong hot-rod V8 upgrade in an old Gen 1.... I'll stick with what works for me! It's NOT for everyone!

Here's mine... (feel free to show me yours)

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Carbureted hot-rod V8 upgrade! Works PERFECTLY!

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