2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bumps.

2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bumps.

Postby Astro-logist [OP] » December 5th 2011, 4:03pm

This problem is intermittent and goes away with each key cycle but usually comes on right away after start up and usually as soon as I hit a bump or the rear end flexes the springs.

The ABS and brake light will come on but the ABS still works fine and I have not had any unwarranted ABS events while driving,only the malfunction indicator lights.

This has been going on for a couple years now but I have always been curious as to wether it was a rear wheel speed sensor or some sort of inclination sensor since it seems to happen when I hit a bump in the rear.

I have had one issue once with the power steering pump that went bad and my Wife lost her brakes....thank God she was in a parking lot and not in traffic.
I think the hydro boost brake system should never have been installed on passenger vehicles since a malfunction in your power steering or a lost belt can cost you your life.

BTW, that power steering pump replacement sure sucked, and the first one I installed was faulty,and had to come right off then the replacement one was not machined well and the tolerance was a bit too tight and was a nightmare trying to press the pulley onto the impeller shaft.
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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby Phantom » December 5th 2011, 4:14pm

Likely to be a wheel sensor/connector wire that is loose ,
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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby Corsemoto » December 5th 2011, 9:23pm

Also could be bad electronic brake control module (EBCM), my '04 van has the same problem and I've performed the service bulletin for cleaning the speed sensors, etc. I had a shop check the ABS code and it's EBCM related. That being said, I'm not going to pay $600-$1000 for a replacement, does anyone have experience with the repair services for these modules?

http://www.absfixer.com/index.php

http://www.modulemaster.com/en/index.php

http://www.modulemaster.com/en/Chevy/Chevytruck_info.php

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EBCM-ABS-MODULE-CHEVROLET-GMC-TRUCK-SUV-REBUILD-REPAIR-/280627606825?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item4156b57529#ht_1390wt_1014

I'm surprised your ABS still works when the lights are on, mine doesn't. I was able to cycle the ABS and brake lights off long enough to get an inspection sticker - while driving I put van in neutral, turned off, turned key back to on position and restarted, put back into drive, etc. Lights happened to stay off long enough for it to pass driving around the lot but I'm really sick of the problem as braking capacity is seriously diminished in wet and slick conditions.
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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby Corsemoto » December 6th 2011, 5:33pm

Came across this in understanding why when ABS / brake lights engaged braking performance deteriorates due to Dynamic Rear Proportioning (DRP) being disabled.

ABS Indicator
The IPC illuminates the ABS indicator when the following occurs:
The Electronic Brake Control Module (EBCM) detects an ABS-disabling malfunction. The IPC receives a class 2 message from the EBCM requesting illumination.
The IPC performs the bulb check.
The IPC detects a loss of class 2 communications with the EBCM.


Brake Warning Indicator
The Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) illuminates the brake warning indicator when the following occurs:
The Body Control Module (BCM) detects that the park brake is engaged. The IPC receives a class 2 message from the BCM requesting illumination.
The EBCM detects a low brake fluid condition and sends a class 2 message to the IPC.
The IPC performs the bulb check.
An ABS-disabling malfunction also disables dynamic rear proportioning (DRP).


Dynamic Rear Proportioning (DRP)
The dynamic rear proportioning (DRP) is a control system that replaces the hydraulic proportioning function of the mechanical proportioning valve in the base brake system.
The DRP control system is part of the operation software in the EBCM. The DRP uses active control with existing ABS in order to regulate the vehicle's rear brake pressure.
The red brake warning indicator is illuminated when the dynamic rear proportioning function is disabled.


I spoke with a local shop and they can repair EBCM for $70 with 1 year warranty and 1 day turnaround so first I'm going to test the ABS pump motor via these instructions from ModuleMaster.com http://www.modulemaster.com/en/wizard/kh_325/both_lights_causes.php and proceed from there.

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Kelsey Hayes 325


If both the ABS and brake light come on while driving, please check the following:

1) Make sure the 50A ABS fuse is good. It is located in the fuse box under the hood.

2) If you live in a snowbelt state, or where de-icing material is used on roads, your ABS pump motor could have corroded wires, especially if both lights come on after hitting a bump. First visually inspect the connection. The pump motor is located on the ABS hydraulic unit.

3) If corrosion appears on the pump wires, unplug the connector, and using a multimeter, measure the resistance of the motor. You should read low resistance (1-5 ohms). If the reistance is infinite (indicating an open circuit), the pump wires will need to be replaced.

If you are skilled with electrical repairs, you will need to open the motor and solder new wires to the brush holders and replace the connector. ModuleMaster can also repair your pump motor for you. Please call for price.

In cases where there is significant corrosion, the pump motor could be seized up (frozen). To test if the motor still runs, connect 12 volts directly to the motor connector using a pair of clip leads.


EBCM Removall

http://www.modulemaster.com/en/Chevy/Chevytruck_info.php

http://www.modulemaster.com/en/abs/kh_325_removal.php

Removal Procedure
On most Chevy trucks, the ABS module is mounted to the left frame rail under the driver's seat.

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Note: We can only rebuild the Kelsey Hayes 325 module (see photo far right). The Series 30 is similar, but has a third connector as shown. Both the Series 30 and 310 are unrepairable and must be replaced.

1) Make sure the ignition is off when you disconnect the module or it could be permanently damaged.

2) Remove the connector(s) from the module.

3) Remove the screws that hold the module to the hydraulic control unit.

4) Cover the exposed surface of the hydraulic unit with aluminum foil.

5) You can still drive your vehicle since the brakes will not be impaired by removal of the ABS module. On certain vehicles, the speedometer receives an input signal from the ABS module and may not function until the module is back in place.

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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby Phantom » December 6th 2011, 5:39pm

Vehicles like ours have a VSS sensor on the transmission that sends van speed data to the PCM which is connected to the the ABS module

sometimes cleaning the electrical connecter on the ABS module can fix the problem , sometimes connector is dirty and circuit gets interrupted for a moment
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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby Phantom » December 6th 2011, 5:51pm

Here is the wiring for the ECBM
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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby Corsemoto » December 6th 2011, 10:58pm

Thanks for the diagram, is there a test for the rear speed sensor and any differences between rwd and awd sensors other than push into trans vs threaded into t-case?

I know you can test the front wheel speed sensors at the connectors while spinning the wheel (180-250 millivolts) and resistance (600-2400 ohms).

I tested the ABS motor and is within spec for resistance (1-5 ohms), runs when directly supplied with 12 volts and has 12 volts to connector with fuse intstalled. So I removed the EBCM (Kelsey Hayes 325) and dropped off for repair, should have it back tomorrow afternoon.

Here's a picture of the abs pump with EBCM removed from the assembly. Wasn't too difficult, removed ABS fuse and two nuts for the shield, the T20 torx screws were tough to access but came out with relative ease. You can see the connector on the motor which attaches to the EBCM and supplies power to the motor. I covered everything with foil to keep things clean until I get the EBCM installed.

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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby Corsemoto » December 9th 2011, 7:29pm

Just wanted to update that the the ebcm repair service fixed my problems - no more abs / brake lights and system functions as it should. Repair cost $70 with warranty and quick one day turnaround from http://www.atlantaspeedometerservices.com/Services.html.
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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby BlueSkySafari » December 14th 2011, 5:32pm

Corsemoto wrote:Just wanted to update that the the ebcm repair service fixed my problems - no more abs / brake lights and system functions as it should. Repair cost $70 with warranty and quick one day turnaround from http://www.atlantaspeedometerservices.com/Services.html.


Thanks for your info.

The link is not working though. How did you get one day turnaround is it in your area?

Ebay had a similar service http://www.ebay.com/itm/380294179977?_t ... 5045wt_905
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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby Corsemoto » December 16th 2011, 5:25am

I dropped it off and picked it up next day but they do a quick turnaround for shipping it as well. I know they just moved into a new location and told me they are expanding their business to include Corvette performance work, so maybe why the website is down. They are on Ebay also: http://www.ebay.com/itm/EBCM-ABS-MODULE ... 1409wt_911

I think they all do the same thing for the most part, I just had a very good experience dealing with them.

You can still drive your van with EBCM and ABS fuse removed, I would cover everything with foil or plastic wrap.

Edit: Looks like website is back up. :thumbup:

Oh, and I posted this picture of the ECBM in the General section but forgot to add it here for reference:

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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby dudeoftheroad » August 18th 2012, 6:24am

Wow! - I so need to have mine ECBM repaired - GM quoted me almost$2000,
i've got a 2002 Chevy Astro, anyone know a shop in Ontario that will do the ECBM repair? HELP?!
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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby Rolling_Rock » August 23rd 2012, 12:08am

The official DIY FIX for this problem is HERE:

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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby Khusba » May 19th 2013, 7:05pm

Astro-logist wrote:This problem is intermittent and goes away with each key cycle but usually comes on right away after start up and usually as soon as I hit a bump or the rear end flexes the springs.

The ABS and brake light will come on but the ABS still works fine and I have not had any unwarranted ABS events while driving,only the malfunction indicator lights.

This has been going on for a couple years now but I have always been curious as to wether it was a rear wheel speed sensor or some sort of inclination sensor since it seems to happen when I hit a bump in the rear.

I have had one issue once with the power steering pump that went bad and my Wife lost her brakes....thank God she was in a parking lot and not in traffic.
I think the hydro boost brake system should never have been installed on passenger vehicles since a malfunction in your power steering or a lost belt can cost you your life.

BTW, that power steering pump replacement sure sucked, and the first one I installed was faulty,and had to come right off then the replacement one was not machined well and the tolerance was a bit too tight and was a nightmare trying to press the pulley onto the impeller shaft.

I always use some led flashlights in my bike to get a backup if my bike's lights not work.
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Re: 2000 astro. ABS and Brake light come on after hitting bu

Postby Khusba » May 21st 2013, 4:18am

Khusba wrote:
Astro-logist wrote:This problem is intermittent and goes away with each key cycle but usually comes on right away after start up and usually as soon as I hit a bump or the rear end flexes the springs.

The ABS and brake light will come on but the ABS still works fine and I have not had any unwarranted ABS events while driving,only the malfunction indicator lights.

This has been going on for a couple years now but I have always been curious as to wether it was a rear wheel speed sensor or some sort of inclination sensor since it seems to happen when I hit a bump in the rear.

I have had one issue once with the power steering pump that went bad and my Wife lost her brakes....thank God she was in a parking lot and not in traffic.
I think the hydro boost brake system should never have been installed on passenger vehicles since a malfunction in your power steering or a lost belt can cost you your life.

BTW, that power steering pump replacement sure sucked, and the first one I installed was faulty,and had to come right off then the replacement one was not machined well and the tolerance was a bit too tight and was a nightmare trying to press the pulley onto the impeller shaft
.

I always use some led flashlights in my bike to get a backup if my bike's lights not work.



I beleive it was a rear wheel speed sensor in your situation.
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