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[Astrodarmiss]

True story: (myths...)

When one of my customers was having their pool cleaned, and refurbished, the contractor drained the tub completely, but then he opened the bilge plug, and threaded a 4' length of pipe into the open hole. His reasoning was: even with the tub drained out, by opening the plug, and inserting a pipe, all the pressure of ground water trying to push the pool out of the ground, would be eliminated, and the pool would be "safe" (meaning that the pool tub would not be bouyant). And he actually believed it.

Fortunately, the concrete was heavy enough, and the ground water was deep enough that the pool did not Surface, Surface, Surface !

Ergo: if you are in a floating boat, and you happen to drill a hole in the floor, and just so happen to have a length of pipe to stick in the hole, all the pressure will be relieved, and the boat will immediately sink.

Think about it...

Bob

Bob

Back in school we built boats made out of concrete. The weight of concrete alone is not enough to resist Archimedes principal.

You are correct that the low height of ground water is the reason why the pool didn't float.

It is totally absurd to believe that a pipe installed as stated would do anything other than let ground water in if it penetrated the water stratum.

If you put a pipe in the bottom of a boat and it extended above the surrounding water level the pipe would just fill the pipe to an equilibrium height.

Moral when boating pack a sufficient length of pipe to stay afloat.

[kennyj]

a real russet style potato

[Astrodarmiss]

In order to clarify where to stick a banana refer back to........

Don't forgot to stuff mashed banana peels into the differential because they will add years of use.

Do you believe in the benefits of mashed banana peels ?

Yes they make a great fertilizer for growing vegetation products

Any other uses ?


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..........as it chokes off the exhaust the very same way that water chokes it off ,, which is why the police will tell you never drive your car on a flooded road , there is great risk that the water will kill the engine by choking it , then it will not start and you will be stranded

Water is not always a solid and as a liquid can not provide such a seal because the pressure would displace it and the exhaust would bubble to the surface. The flooded street warning is more in regards to wet engine components than exhaust back pressure.

Here is my fact to this postulation. When I had to dip the rear end of the vehicle under water at the boat ramp the water never caused the engine to stop no matter how long it took to be ready to haul the boat out. There were just many bubbles and cool sounds emanating from there. Here is a wise guy comparison for your perusal. Take a bath and fart in the tube and tell me what happens without describing the odor.

tell that to people who wander down a road with water only up to the center of wheel not high enough to affect anything else
There is a great risk ,, you have to be in the water and a level point ,to be at greatest risk , I see this happen every spring when it rains heavy around the month of May , flooded cars everywhere that won't start ,, because tailpipe is full of water

Stranded vehicles on flooded streets are due to the speed of entry and the resultant splashing. Anyone who proceeds slowly will cross unless it becomes too deep and not because of exhaust blockage.

Did you perform the tube experiment ? Did you exhaust or did your cheeks puff out ?

Man some facts are facts and some of your opinions are just opinions ! Sometimes we are not always correct and need to have the .... to admit it rather than beat it to death.

I know that you will say then why don't I admit it. Right.......

[Astrodarmiss]

a real russet style potato

With all of this talk about potatoes I have an irrepressible urge to gets some fries. I will check out the newest video when I have a plate of them before me.

[Phantom]

Do you believe in the benefits of mashed banana peels ?

Yes they make a great fertilizer for growing vegetation products

Any other uses ?

You must really care a lot to follow my quotes every step of the way

Yea food for squirrels ,, I have heard of people smoking them to get a buzz ,, since you inhale various substances for some reason including sawdust , I would guess you know about inhaling mashed banana skins as well
If you find a road that has flooded ,, try driving very slowly into the flooded waters at idle speed and shut off your engine ,,, then try to start it ,, it will try and fail because it will inhale water in the tailpipe

Like I said EVERY spring where it floods the road signs are out to steer people away ,, because when the engine dies it will not start again on most cars ,,,some trucks that have high lifts or stacks for exhaust won't have a problem , water can get sucked into the exhaust as the engine has pulses ,, water can also get into the air intake and cause a no start or choke the intake of air

can't help you if you don't believe or have no experience in it

[Phantom]

a real russet style potato

You did notice that the pipe was not sealed did you not??

:rofl: , I know that a real spud can be wedged in there tight enough to choke it off ,, as a youngun as a trick or treater , we just gave tricks and did not ask for treats push spud way up and wrap it with piece of plastic tarp cut to size and wrap duct tape around it worked every time , hope you did not really consider that as a true test

You have to seal it off , or if you stuff like 4 potatoes back to back then there is enough resistance to overcome the force of exhaust , then it will not start due to the fact the the force of air blowing on the forward side is not powerful enough to push potato out ,, but it just easier to use duct tape

[Astrodarmiss]

You must really care a lot to follow my quotes every step of the way

Don't flatter yourself. The quotes were there to help you read what was written as a means to answer the actual questions instead of deflecting them.

Like I said............

How true that you said it over and over again even in the face of written and visual proof. Given that my exhaust was under water at the boat ramps and that I have driven through flooded roads means nothing at all. Add them trick videos and ...............

I imagine you as someone who would believe that the World is flat regardless of what you are told and defend your opinion of falling off of the edge as we circumnavigated the Globe. Denying reality the whole time and upon return to the departure port insist that it was a parlor trick.

The fun of this topic has left me.


Kenny I love your videos. Super addition to the odyssey. Thanks !!!

[Phantom]

You must really care a lot to follow my quotes every step of the way

How true ...... even in the face of written and visual proof

The fun of this topic has left me.

You call that proof ,, simple concept even you agree to "if it were Sealed"
,, those test are silly they don't even make an attempt to secure the potato ,,

We have reached a second agreement ??? Well once again, almost anyway.

The biggest advancement of this exchange is the lack or restraint of ............ and .............so thanks.

Cheers

[kennyj]

Well darn, I'm out of popcorn.

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And after 4 pages we still can't agree whether a tranny refill takes 4 quarts or a gallon.
But now we know that a potato won't stop your engine, unless there is duct tape and saran wrap involved, and maybe only on Halloween.
And now I will be afraid of the dire consequences of farting in the bathtub.

[Phantom]

Thanks Kenny for the videos ,, I have driven through flooded roads and there are variances ,, size of tailpipe , 3 inch and larger has less of problem , smaller diameter pipes suffer the most , I have had to at times with smaller cars put foot on brake and other foot on gas to keep rpms to about 1500+ to keep it from stalling ,,but if need to drive more than about a block , it gonna stall , when it stalls that is when the problem is , because the force of the water is flooding into the pipe and when it is submerged water goes too far up the pipe and becomes a seal ,another problem is water seeping into the front air intake that is in the valance area ,, with modifications the problems can be overcome

[Astrodarmiss]

I am sorry that I lied about letting this go but............. and by being unable to resist the few left over edible kernels in your bowl ........ so you can sue me for one more post. This last word by.......is just too much for me to ignore.

"valance" ??? Are you talking about drapery or the number of bonds that each atom of an element makes in a chemical compound ? Maybe this valance thing is just special to you and that is why your small pipe has so much trouble getting wet.

Damn Kenny, we didn't get an answer to the liquid measurement question did we ?

We all probably know that more fatal accidents occur in the bathtub than any other place in the home.

Your dire consequences remark has nearly caused me a heart attack and very wet pants. Did we need yet another fear to add to our lives ? Too bad I didn't plug and duct tape the end of it before your post.

With attitudinall modifications many things can be overcome.

Too much, way too much I will be laughing for the rest of the night.

[RECox286]

Into our lives, a little humor must fall.

Bob Hemingway

[Phantom]

I am sorry that I lied about letting this go but.............

"valance" ??? Are you talking about drapery ?

Your remark has caused me very wet pants.

Too much, way too much I will be laughing for the rest of the night.

Yea the valance "drapes" down from the front of the car
You never heard of a front valance????


When you dump a boat in the water ,,you are not "driving " in water , you just back down an INCLINE and stop there ,, the exhaust system is at an angle and only a small portion is in the water ,, and with a truck or van that is typically used the vehicle sits higher than the average car , In addition note the diameter of the pipe , the larger diameter size pipe , the larger the volume of water is needed to fill it ,,,kinda like the empty air space between your ears

When driving into a flooded road the car is Level straight line where the water is able to rush in a few feet , even up to the muffler and the exhaust is not able to push all the water out as the water is rushing in as well ,, a spud shoved into the pipe has no force going inward as water does in a flooded road as EVEN YOU noted that water seeks to be level ,, it does not push it self upward into and inclined pipe ,

but when that pipe is straight level with the water , the water will rush in and attempt to come out the other end of pipe ,,,try laying a piece of pipe flat in your bathtub and see it happen ,, now place that pipe at an inclined upward angle and note that the water does not go as far in
If a car is sitting on a flooded road and the exhaust pipe has filled with water and there is a continued presence of water flowing into the pipes there is a great likelihood that the engine will not start ,due to the water filling the pipe
Ya know a truce could be had if you could show respect ,,, I am always welcome to science evidence,, but opinions are only that and not evidence

It makes it all worth while to know that you will be laughing all night ,,, you'll likely run out of dry pants to wear

[Astrodarmiss]

For those with empty bowls I offer the following.

Thanks Kenny for the videos ,, I have driven through flooded roads and there are variances ,, size of tailpipe , 3 inch and larger has less of problem , smaller diameter pipes suffer the most , I have had to at times with smaller cars put foot on brake and other foot on gas to keep rpms to about 1500+ to keep it from stalling ,,but if need to drive more than about a block , it gonna stall , when it stalls that is when the problem is , because the force of the water is flooding into the pipe and when it is submerged water goes too far up the pipe and becomes a seal ,another problem is water seeping into the front air intake that is in the valance area ,, with modifications the problems can be overcome

With a sense of fair play and maybe too early of a start to the weekend I provide your entire quote to reply to.

Your valance statement did indeed have me confused. I don't know if I could name any vehicle that has the engine air intake opening behind or below the bumper. They are usually up higher, behind the grill, to be less susceptible to foreign material from entering the engine as well as not acting like a water scoop when traversing flooded roads.

I guess that I wasn't giving you enough credit for being special by hanging drapery from near the top area of the radiator down the "front of the car"(you said this later) to distinguish your ride. Do you have solid colors or flower or fruit type patterns ? Do you have any pictures that you want to show us ??

"it gonna stall , when it stalls that is when the problem is , because the force of the water is flooding into the pipe" is so funny. When "it stalls" and "water goes too far up the pipe", what happens to the gases already in the pipe ? How much Force (F=ma) for the limited momentarily "of rushing in" can the weight of water above the tailpipe of a "flooded road" exert against the gases before it can no longer compress them within any pipe size ?

Water "becomes a seal" can easily be tested by filling a straw and blowing some air into one end. What happens when you blow slowly ? What happens when you blow more aggressively ? What happens if you just blow ? Can your engine blow more than you ?

Assuming that there is nothing that you don't have "facts" for I need to know something. Given that humpback whales hunt in groups and one of their tactics is to coral the fish in an air bubble net farther below the surface than a tailpipe or human butt in a tub would be how is it possible for them to exhaust air under water without the fear of the dreadful human bathtub exhausting syndrome ?

I do not mind you quoting me but don't stoop to redacting and reformatting them to where they are out of context to what I said to serve your purposes as you have many times before.

Remember, I can only provide guidance. It is up to you to research and contact authorities to verify these facts on your own.

I don not deny that you have knowledge and some very good facts. I do deny that you are infallible and can defend silliness by repeating it.

[Phantom]

Your valance statement did indeed have me confused. I don't know if I could name any vehicle that has the engine air intake opening behind or below the bumper. They are usually up higher, behind the grill, to be less susceptible to foreign material from entering the engine as well as not acting like a water scoop when traversing flooded roads.
"valance" ??? Are you talking about drapery ......I guess that I wasn't giving you enough credit for being special by hanging drapery from near the top area of the radiator down the "front of the car"(you said this later) to distinguish your ride. Do you have solid colors or flower or fruit type patterns ? Do you have any pictures that you want to show us ??

you obviously are showing your continued lack of understanding as I did post a pic of the lower valance of my ride ,, I cropped the pic to show you and focus on the lower valance to point it out , since you were not able to understand that , if I had shown the entire front of the car , you would not know what part I was referring to ,, and obviously you still don't understand

since you were being sarcastic and trying to say you know something you don't , I was joking about your interpretation of valance indicating you thought that was meaning drapery , so I joked about it "draping " as in the context you think it was , if you search for lower valance in google you will find many examples of many cars and truck lower valances
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp ... 34&bih=476

you are mistaken again ,Since you have no experience , it is rare that the air intake hoses are behind the grille because there is rarely any vehicles that have room to put the hose in that area , simply because directly behind the grille is the A/C condenser and then the radiator in front of that which usually takes up the horizontal width of the grille area and there simply is no space to put them there , since the mid 90's more stock air filter boxes are mounted by the drivers side headlamp with the hose and duct going downward about 8 inches , which is often in the lower valance area , as far back as the 60's it has been common to place the air intake ducts in the lower valance area routing up to the air filter housing ,, below is pics of an example used in the mid 60's to present date cars ,, The astro is one of the few that have the filter box in the middle up front center and has the hose going over and back to the intake .

" when it stalls that is when the problem is , because the force of the water is flooding into the pipe" is so funny. When "it stalls" and "water goes too far up the pipe", what happens to the gases already in the pipe ? How much Force (F=ma) for the limited momentarily "of rushing in" can the weight of water above the tailpipe of a "flooded road" exert against the gases before it can no longer compress them within any pipe size ?

Seriously you have no clue how anything works ,,,how is it that such basic elementary facts elude your thinking ? surely you can't be that foolish ,,,fill your bathtub up with about 6 inches deep of water ,,now take a metal pipe and place it horizontally on the surface of the water , now let it drop ,, and notice what happens...since you do not understand such simplicity I 'll have to break it down for you ,,, the very instant it goes below the surface of the water , instantly water "RUSHES IN" comprende??? that too much for you to understand??? it fills the pipe with water , if you want the perfect terms to describe it study it , ,, there is something called exhaust scavenging that has pulses ,and also when you create a restriction in the pipe whether it be a squeezing of the pipe or filling the pipe you greatly reduce the flow of of the exhaust flow through the pipe which creates excessive back pressure , when you cannot expel the exhaust fast enough and that restriction increases then it short time the engine will choke and stall ,, since you have not the level of understanding the simplicity of water rushing inside a pipe filling it when submerged under water , everything else will be way over your head and you will not understand anything else any better .

Can your engine blow more than you ?

yes it can ,, but it surely cannot blow as much as you do

[chevymaher]

All I want to know is how the topic went from tranny fluid to some new fangled water injection system.HHO or whatnot. And since I gotta bring my own popcorn now.

[Phantom]

All I want to know is how the topic went from tranny fluid to some new fangled water injection system.HHO or whatnot. And since I gotta bring my own popcorn now.

It started when I stated that if the exhaust was plugged up it would choke the engine and die,, then the foolishness began....

[RECox286]

You needn't take all the credit, I believe that it were I who started this whole charade... Eh ?

Uncle Bob

[chevymaher]

I know I just clowning and whatnot.

[Phantom]

You needn't take all the credit, I believe that it were I who started this whole charade... Eh ?

Uncle Bob

Perhaps so , credit is shared or all yours if desired