Factory non-oil-cooler filter mount?

[deleteitall]

I guess I'll be going with GM part #14081300 for my oil cooler delete. Anyone know the torque specs for that bolt?

[chevymaher]

Can you just keep the oil cooler housing between the block and filter, remove the lines, and plug the 2 holes? Would oil still flow or would it keep a bypass valve open all the time?

If you remove that housing or not there a oil bypass in the block under everything.The bypass only opens if there a blocked oil filter.Pressure difference in the filter and the oil line being greater than the pre-set value of the spring.I am running 75-80 lbs cold 65 lbs hot running and 40 at idle hot.Same spring bypass in mine you have.If you remove the lines you should remove the housing.
Torque on that part, I did it by hand but about 40 lbs what mine has.I sent you a PM.

[Phantom]

Can you just keep the oil cooler housing between the block and filter, remove the lines, and plug the 2 holes? Would oil still flow or would it keep a bypass valve open all the time?

Possible , I never tried that ,, I don't really see reason to remove the cooler at all , it does add a little more oil to fill the lines and it does cool the oil some , if the lines are good , it be good to keep it , My plan for the future is to get a better remote dual filter setup that will add more oil in the system and offer better filtering , maybe a better style of cooler , maybe air cooled , not sure , I'll have to compare . One of the main jobs oil has is to remove heat from the moving parts and transfer that heat away , oil does that well , the cooler the oil is the better it does it's job and the more resistant it is to thermal breakdown , when oil overheats it loses its ability to do it's job well , which is why sometimes when you drain it ; it is as thin as water , not like it was when you first put it in.

[Shad0wXCalibur]

I still stay the engine will last a long time whether you have it or not. IMO, it's only a must for extreme conditions... I dunno. I guess I favor oil that runs a little hotter than lines that leak and burst if you're one of the real unlucky ones. I'll just say it's one of those things where you do whatever you feel comfortable with.

[deleteitall]

Anyone know when GM started putting oil coolers in Atros? I had an 85 Astro but I can't remember if it had an oil cooler. Did oil coolers become optional as a tow package?

I don't know how long the plastic/aluminum radiators typically last but my 97 Astro with 170k miles is on it's 3rd radiator and it's leaking coolant again, near where the hot oil cooler lines attach to the radiator. Those oil cooler lines get real hot, which should be good because it's taking that heat away from the engine BUT that line is attached to a plastic housing of an aluminum radiator. And with the heat transfering back and forth between fluids I'm sure thermal expansion/contraction fatigues the aluminum.

So far my plan is to delete the oil cooler and get a higher capacity radiator without the oil cooler, maybe with a larger 1" core as someone here mentioned, and maybe a better brand like Silla instead of the last 2 which were the Ready-Rad brand.

[chevymaher]

Just an observation from this forum.Z vin or TBI did not have oil coolers.W Vin CPIs did have them.Was not dependant on years made.I have stated this opinion in the past and was not attacked so.Nobody really sure and it seems to be a rule of thumb.

[Phantom]

Is there any proven verifiable reason to delete it?

I see opinions , but there will always be those on every topic , these lines almost never leak, any kind of line on anything can possibly leak , but is there any verifiable test proven for the beneficial purpose to remove this cooler? Over 90% of all auxiliary external trans oil coolers are connected with rubber hoses , and it is a rarity that they ever leak , if they are installed correctly

Plastic tanks are on just about every car made , in 40 years of driving I have had to replace a radiator in my cars about 6 times total , considering all my cars , I am a strong advocate in PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE , as most people will wait till their cars break down and then they want to spend only what it takes to get it running again . A shop will tell owner A...B..and C ..needs replaced and it will cost ..X... dollars to fix, owner says what can I put off till later , how much just to get it running again ,, shop say well , we can put off ..B..and C.. but hard to say how long it will last till it breaks.. owner says that's what they want to do ...a year later it breaks and owner blames the brand of car or shop ,
That what happens when an owner wants "just enough to get by" they'll spend several thousand dollars a year on cigarettes a few more thousand on alcohol and all is good , but when it comes to the car they drive ....the cheapest ,,just enough to get by on

[deleteitall]

Ok guys apparently GM used a U-pipe to delete oil cooler lines on some vehicles. Would a U-pipe cause less oil pressure loss than a complete delete with the oil filter against the engine block? And any idea what part # this pipe is or if you can buy it aftermarket? Looks like this:

[Phantom]

Ok guys apparently GM used a U-pipe to delete oil cooler lines on some vehicles. Would a U-pipe cause less oil pressure loss than a complete delete with the oil filter against the engine block? And any idea what part # this pipe is or if you can buy it aftermarket? Looks like this:
[ http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3158/uoilbypassix2.jpg ]

where is your oil filter ?

[deleteitall]

That's just a pic of a random oil cooler U-pipe I pulled off the net.

My oil filter is stock, under the oil cooler sandwich adapter.

[Phantom]

That's just a pic of a random oil cooler U-pipe I pulled off the net. the part I want for my Astro.

Where will you put the filter when you buy that part?

[deleteitall]

Filter and everything stays put, I disconnect oil cooler lines at the sandwich and install this U-pipe into those 2 holes. I could even leave the oil cooler lines hanging while I try out the U-pipe. Easy, could even switch back and forth just by unscrewing the one bolt.

[Phantom]

Filter and everything stays put, I disconnect oil cooler lines at the sandwich and install this U-pipe into those 2 holes. I could even leave the oil cooler lines hanging while I try out the U-pipe. Easy, could even switch back and forth just by unscrewing the one bolt.

That u pipe looks more like an oil filter delete , not likely to be a factory part. Plus it is mounted by the bolt in the middle and not likely mountable to the sandwich adapter , there is no place to put the middle mounting bolt , without having one in hand ;held against the adapter no way to know if the u pipe will line up to where the lines connect

As far as increasing the oil pressure because you delete the adapter is highly , highly unlikely , if you want higher pressure , try a pump that is designed for higher psi, , depending on the clearance in the bearings and a couple other factors you may or may not be able to increase oil pressure ,short of running thick oil

[Shad0wXCalibur]

That's a crazy lookin filter setup. But anyways... about removing an oil cooler. I just think if it was THAT important, then there wouldn't have been some vans made from the factory without one like my 87. It's 23 years old with 210,000 miles with no issues at all (doesn't smoke, make noise, or lose oil). For me personally, I think that's good enough "proof". Not super number crunching verified proof but yea. But like I said, that's just my take on it. Either run one or don't. Up to you. I use full synthetic oil in my 2000 and drive it easy so I don't think it would have much issue if I removed it but I think I'll just wait til one of the lines start leaking or something. They were completely dry last time I changed my oil.

Now something like removing the internal transmission cooler without having an external one, well you wouldn't have to wait long to figure out what that does.

[Phantom]

The whole idea is a lost time matter , nothing to gain ,, car makers put it there for a reason , the only time anyone ever removes it is to put in place a better more elaborate setup that actually does a great job , or because they are a home DIY 'er too cheap to fix a leak problem correctly and just want to disconnect the thing altogether using a reverse logic in thinking that if cars 20 some years old did not use one then remove the one on newer van . It will not increase oil pressure at all , no car maker is going to add a device that will decrease oil psi , no gain in this at all . Remote filter adapters Dual filter or single filter setups are extremely good and very popular with a real performance team ,the more quantity of oil & the cleaner and cooler the oil remains the better the engine can perform and the longer it will last ,Using high quality parts and fittings is way better than reverse logic. I see home DIY 'er guys,, on the forums trying to find a cooler delete that GM stopped making back in the early 90's ....without giving thought to why GM stopped using it .......

[T.Neff]

Sorry guys.I am going to type my first impression.To go to a aftermarket remote dual filter in my two cent worth is a atomic solution to a pea shooter problem.Let alone a accumulator oil system.Other thing is common sense says adding more connections adds the likely hood to more leaks.The proof of that is NASCAR race cars that at times is plagued with leaks.Look these vans are 20 yrs old.The brakes lines,gas lines,and yes the oil lines do rot out.And yes you should keep them.So it is simple to replace them for the next 20 yrs.It just makes common sense to me,not as interesting through.

[Lumpy]

I'm thinkin - Remove remote cooler or not?

REMOVE:
Pro:
- Gets rid of some possibie oil leak points

Con:
- Oil temp will be higher
- Forces you to use less oil reserve


DON'T REMOVE:
Pro:
- Cools the oil better than without
- Allows a larger oil reserve

Con:
- Hose joints may leak


Given those arguments, I'd keep the cooler, fix the hoses if they leak.
It's not rocket science, nor expensive to build an oil tight hose joint at those pressures.
I can't see that an external cooler would have any effect on internal oil pressure.
It would be at the same pressure that the filter is at.

You wouldn't find me removing one unless the cooler itself was corroded and leaking.
In that case, you'd find me REPLACING it, not deleting it.


Lump

[Phantom]

Comparing NASCAR to a street driven van????
Not at all common that astro vans see 6-10,000 rpm ranges going at nearly 200 MPH for hours at a time on the street

and you will never see a stock oil filter system on any NASCAR race car

Common sense dictates that the better filtration the oil has the better and longer it can do it's job , if any concerns about dual oil filter just google and learn . The cooler the oil the better it can do it's job , the more volume of oil in the system the cooler the oil can be .......

- Allows a larger oil reserve


I'd keep the cooler, fix the hoses if they leak.
It's not rocket science, nor expensive to build an oil tight hose joint at those pressures.
I can't see that an external cooler would have any effect on internal oil pressure.
It would be at the same pressure that the filter is at.

You wouldn't find me removing one unless the cooler itself was corroded and leaking.
In that case, you'd find me REPLACING it, not deleting it.

Lump

Exactly , that is how it's done

[T.Neff]

I will continue to work on more concise posts.If it was misunderstood the number of connections is what I spoke about.

I have 0 interest in long exchanges here,I said what I mean once,and I really don't have the time to waste.

[Lumpy]

...I said what I mean once,and I really don't have the time to waste.

It's not a waste of time to me, Neff. I welcome questioning and opposing points of view.
Some here get pretty religious about what they think is right, sometimes coming from the
standpoint of pure theory, never having done the work themselves. I don't have an external
on my Astro. It's been decades since I've had an external on any vehicle. So I'm pretty much
"guessing".

But don't let those who think they have to be the final word discourage you from posting yours. Please.
There's a whole bunch of people that will benefit from anything you have to say, and you may
never hear from them.

Lump