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My rear end has been binding during sharp turns, and when they took it apart at the shop today they found it had been filled with the wrong oil - something bright green (I just bought the van a few months ago). Anyways, they told me it's a limited slip posi with a clutch pack. I drive a 2000 Astro AWD with an RPO code of G80 and I was under the impression that this configuration was a locking diff. Is my rear not the original then?

As an aside, now my warranty provider (Lubrico) doesn't want to cover my claim because they say this was a "service" and not a "repair". Bastards!
 

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G80 is a limited slip diff, also known as a Gov-Loc.
It is not a true locker, because they are too harsh of an engagement for the averge owner.
The proper fluid is 80w90 gear oil plus a limited slip additive, or 75w80 synthetic gear oil with no additive.
 

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Yeah, but if the govenor is buggered, it may lock up (or jam) at any speed, or not at all.
 

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I guess I'll see when I take it back in. I'm still waiting for the warranty company to respond to my claim letter. The guy at the first shop they sent me to seemed totally incompetent.
 

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gtkane said:
G80 is a limited slip diff, also known as a Gov-Loc.
It is not a true locker, because they are too harsh of an engagement for the averge owner.
The proper fluid is 80w90 gear oil plus a limited slip additive, or 75w80 synthetic gear oil with no additive.
Where did you get this information? The owner's manual says to use GL-5 (80W-90) for the locking and non-locking rear.

I took these photos right out of my manual.
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I don't know what they were smoking at the shop.


I hope it's not doing damage while it's in there.
 

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GM keeps changing their mind on weather or not additive should be installed. New bulletins come out every couple of years. It is all based on warranty claims.
It is generally understood that if an additive is installed when not required, it will not cause any damage, just cost extra $$.
 

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You got ripped man. $80 for a coupla quarts of diff lube?! That's something like 10-15 worth max. I had 2 bottles of Castrol Synthetic gear lube for about 20. Just something to keep in mind.
I am totally aware of this. You see, I was under the impression that it would be covered. But this asshole didn't follow claim procedure and pretty much fucked me over.

What about the fluid being the wrong viscosity? 75W90 is thinner than 80W90 right, so is that going to cause anomalies?
 

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http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/

Service Bulletins Summary

Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
CADILLAC / ESCALADE 1999-2002
CHEVROLET / ASTRO 1999-2004
CHEVROLET / BLAZER 1999-2004
CHEVROLET / SILVERADO 1999-2002
CHEVROLET / SUBURBAN 1999-2002
CHEVROLET / TAHOE 1999-2002
GMC / ENVOY 1999-2002
GMC / JIMMY 1999-2004
GMC / SAFARI 1999-2004
GMC / SIERRA 1999-2002
GMC / SUBURBAN 1999-2002
GMC / YUKON 1999-2002
OLDSMOBILE / BRAVADA 1998-2001
Service Bulletin Number : 3012B
NHTSA Item Number : 10008806
Summary Description :
THE NVG 136 ALL WHEEL DRIVE (AWD) TRANSFER CASE AND THE 236 AND 246 NVG SELECTABLE TRANSFER CASES OPERATING IN THE AUTO MODE MAY EXHIBIT A CONDITION OF A VIBRATION/SHUDDER DURING LOW SPEED TURNS SUCH AS A PARKING LOT MANEUVER, UP TO APPROXIMATELY 5 MPH. *TT 3012A NOT YET RECEIVED. *TT
 

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Well I think I've found the source of my problem ...

Bulletin No.: 99-04-21-005B

Date: September, 2002

TECHNICAL

Subject:
Transfer Case Shudder
(Flush and Replace Transfer Case Fluid)

Models:
1999-2003 Chevrolet Astro (AWD)
1999-2003 GMC Safari (AWD)
1999-2001 Oldsmobile Bravada
with All-Wheel Drive (NV136) Transfer Case (RPO NP4)

This bulletin is being revised to add model years. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 99-04-21-005A (Section 04 - Driveline Axle).

Condition

Some customers may comment about a vibration (shudder) during tight turning maneuvers on dry pavement at vehicle speeds less than 8 km/h (5 mph).

Cause

This condition may be caused by a slip-stick of the clutch plates in the transfer case clutch pack. On 1999 and newer models, the preload that is designed into the clutch pack may contribute to the condition. In addition, contamination of the fluid may interfere with the friction modifiers.

Correction

Flush and replace the transfer case fluid on affected vehicles using the following procedure and the part number listed below.

Perform the following diagnosis prior to flushing and replacing the transfer case fluid in order to properly identify the shudder.

Diagnosis

1. Verify the shudder in the vehicle. The vehicle needs to be at operating temperature (driven at least 5 miles) for proper diagnosis. After the vehicle is at operating temperature, drive in a tight circle just short of steering wheel lock, at a speed less than 8 km/h (5 mph) in order to identify the shudder.

2. Identify what rear axle type the vehicle has.

^ If the vehicle has a standard rear axle, then proceed to step 3.

^ If the vehicle has a locking rear axle, remove the front propeller shaft. Refer to the Propeller Shaft subsection in the Service Manual. Drive the vehicle as outlined in step 1.

^ If the shudder goes away, install the front propeller shaft and proceed to step 3. Refer to the Propeller Shaft subsection in the Service Manual.

^ If the shudder does not go away, the locking rear axle may be the cause. Review the owner's records and determine if the rear axle was serviced at the first scheduled oil change. If records indicate that the axle service was done, then revaluate the condition using diagnostic information in the appropriate Service Manual. If the rear axle was not serviced, service the rear axle.
INFORM THE CUSTOMER THAT THE AXLE SERVICE IS AN OWNER'S MAINTENANCE ITEM NOT COVERED UNDER THE VEHICLE'S WARRANTY.

^ Install the front propeller shaft. Refer to the Propeller Shaft subsection in the Service Manual.

3. Flush the transfer case with the blue colored fluid (AUTO-TRAK II) using the procedure and part number listed below. Perform the flush procedure even if the transfer case contains the blue colored AUTO-TRAK II fluid in order to remove any possible contaminants. The AUTO-TRAK II fluid contains an improved friction modifier that should correct the slip-stick condition. Refer to the Transfer Case subsection in the Service Manual for information on draining and filling the transfer case.

Flush Procedure

Important :Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 99-04-21-001, dated April 1999, for important information on removing the transfer case drain and fill plugs.

1. Drain the transfer case fluid.

2. Refill the transfer case with 2 L (2 qts) of new fluid, P/N 12378508 (Canadian P/N 10953626).

3. After refilling the transfer case, drive the vehicle a minimum of 8 km (5 mi).

4. With the transfer case at operating temperature, drain the transfer case fluid again.

5. Refill the transfer case with new fluid.

Important :The vehicle may require approximately 160 km (100 miles) of driving before the condition is completely corrected..
 

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Driveline problem update:

Called back warranty company and explained situation. They sent me a cheque in the mail to reimburse me for the work on the rear end. Woohoo! :biggrin:

Today I drained the dirty dexron out of my transfer case and refilled it with GM Auto-trak II lubricant. Lurching problem during slow tight turns has vanished! Woohoo! :banana:
 

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My rear diff developed a drip (after banging it on a rock I think), so I decided to open it up for the first time since I bought the van in Dec. I filed and sanded the cover plate and reinstalled it with some fresh RTV, and it no longer drips. Here was the inside ...



Does that look like an open, or gov-loc unit to you guys?
 
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