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I am looking on adding a plate from around the transmission cross beam to just in front of muffler attached to floor framing with drop down brackets. The plate would about 24" by 32".
Could be more wider or shorter.
Will make cardboard cutout to see the coverage area.
Would like to use aluminum for less weight but concerned that it would be too easy to cut with grinding disk.
Should it be a solid plate or expanded metal, again weight concerns.
Would solid metal tarp the heat from the catalytic when not moving is another concern.
Ease of removing plate for maintenance has to be looked into too.

I plan on installing this to a 2WD 2004 Safari.
I also have a AWD 2002 Astro i can measure for comparison.
 

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How about something like this? A quick Google search turned up a lot of results. I'd be concerned about heat buildup and fire with an enclosed box.

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Been seeing this lately, but I have not made any plans to make one. I think thieves just cut them out. So it, May not help That much. Keep us posted with what you come up with. As far as the heat aspect a cage would maybe be better than a plate.
 

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Once weather permits outdoor car work (garage ceiling is too low to jack the van,) I am going to keep my cat safe by keeping it in a tote in the garage. They can't steal it off your van if it isn't on your van.
 

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seems like an east coast problem more or less, maybe because who wants to climb under a vehicle with snow on the ground? But here in NH people have been stealing gas mostly so far. I installed locking gas caps on both my NH vehicles and I leave the big driveway light on, it lights the whole driveway and front of house. So far so good. Mark
 

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I'm a new member but I recently had a cat stolen from a 2001 Ford van on December 23 around the Seattle suburbs which is getting terrible for thefts.The officer that took the report said it was his fourth "so far" that day.Mall parking lots are huge for thefts here at that time of year but mine was from MY driveway in a nicer neighborhood at 3pm in the afternoon!
Later it was towed to an "authorized service center" for the insurance company..who parked it outside their locked up yard and the tow driver left the key on the rear wheel(duh..the fender over the wheel is like 6" above the tire?!)..and the van itself was stolen and never found sometime between December 29th and January 4.

Anyway,I've been looking into some type of cat protection that might be sufficient and as a deterrent rather than highly costly,Theives are more interested in a quick 2 minute cut,grab,and run rather than having to saw at something for a long period of time and possibly getting caught.
I've also been a remodeling contractor for a lot of years and have experience with using sawzalls a lot,their favorite tool for cutting out cats.The hardest things to cut are moving cables,1/8" wire mesh,and stainless steel bars,,therefore I'm thinking that maybe some kind of galvanized chain link fencing mesh interlaced with stainless cables going through a couple of frame holes on the top side(higher than the cat blocking them from cutting) might be enough of a headache to make them think "why bother!"..I'll look for the next one! Throw in some clamps that jiggle(around the exhaust pipe and stainless cable or bar when they try to cut them;used more for making things not rattle when driving ,but do make noise when the they try to cut them and causing more noise might help them make up their mind also to move on. A stainless rod above the cat going through the chain link mesh to tie both sides of the mesh together around the cat and pipe up there,perhaps the cable wrapped through a couple drilled end holes in the bar..one look and they would go somewhere else.

Yes..I bought a second Astro,the first is my old 90 AWD EXT that has been sitting idle in my driveway for 14 years;I was currently restoring that while waiting for my Ford van to be found.The second is the 2004 RWD one that I bought 50 days without a car, after I finally got a cash reimbursement for my Ford..and I wanted something at least to drive so I could quit borrowing the wife's Pathfinder.
Yes..both ASTROS of mine (and probably ALL others) have very easy cats to steal..On the 90 I added an "erector set" of some " drilled hole" L angle metal(unistrut?) about 1-1/2"x2" but it was more of a headache than what it is was worth working with,too straight and stiff,but they more than likely will laugh at the attempt and walk off.Some " mesh" that is flexible and will follow any shape is better to work with.
Welding cages to me would be a headache,especially when they need to be removed for replacing or possibly fixing something in a botched half-sawn theft..or a future mechanical pipe/muffler replacement.. there goes more $$ just to remove and reinstall it.

Around here,law enforcement agencies are setting up sites that will paint you cat with bright orange ceramic Ultra high heat VHT paint..after etching the last eight numbers of the Vin number for vehicles making them harder to sell unless they totally dismantle the cat down to the important elements inside.the paint is about $6-8 a can..and I use a dremel with a skinny bit and do my own.That way the cat can be matched with the theft..so smart thieves hopefully won't bother it..no way to sell it easy.That's cheap and worth a try. You need to just drive your Astro for aqbout 20 minutes afterwards to harden the paint so it is hard to get off..and the numbers are still etched on thecat case."Mine says "Stolen from Vehicle # ^%FR11YG"(the 8 last numbers and letters)..let's see them sell that in one piece.
Most cat cages you can buy cost about as much as the cat itself..and the labor costs..??

The cat on the Ford van..I paid $250 for the comp insurance because I figured the cost to me using Rock Auto would have been about $550(parts and shipping) and the time about TWO HOURS for me at 71 years old to remove the three flange bolts(cut on the cat side of the exhaust pipe flange,throw away the old cat flange,bolt the new upper end with an 8" long exhaust sleeve(or however long they cut out plus 2-3") on the backpipe,,just short of the O2 sensor(2-3" of pipe left there before the sensor), pull out the Oxygen sensor, , clean off the original pipe..and do about 20" of welding,2 diameters at the ends of the 3"plus sleeve( a buddy of mine would have probably charged me $20 for that,two blocks away).Then screw the O2 sensor back in(I replaced it about a year ago).In the long run,I should have done it myself.I didn't even need to jack up the van and the space was wide open with nothing nearby in the way!

Sorry this is so long..hopefully someone can use the advice and save some $$ or give you some ideas for building your own.Astros don't appear to have much body pieces or framework to bolt to or between around the cats.
 

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Cat theft is doing well in Texas.
The main problem I see is people wanting to buy CATs on FB's buy sell & trade groups.
These people also buy junk cars and most of them sold CRACK in the 90s - small world here.
I tried many times to get page administrators to disallow those ads, to no avail.
People create buy, sell, trade groups and don't monitor the page.
The arguments I've gotten into with hustlers calling themselves 'respectable' are entertaining but do no good.
Funny thing about them formerly being into crack sales, it's very similar.
They still deal with junkies, they still buy cheap and sell at high markup & the damage done far exceeds the money made.
 

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Legislation is supposed to be going on here in Washington to make it harder for individual sellers to sell bulk cats with VINs of what vehicle the cat is from and also names,addresses,photo ids, etc..of the small sellers to bulk buyers,who become responsible for all the info they receive...hopefully to make it harder for the thieves to get money from them if they need a vin number for each cat they sell,why marking them with vins make sense.Law enforcement can put the 8 digits of the vin number into computers and come up with a matching theft report for the item.
It's too bad that places like craigslist take ads for bulk buyers who show bins of cats that have been sawn out at weird angles..like from someone sawing pipes while wedged under a car..instead of muffler shops replacing them that would saw them more straight so they could mount something new to take the place of the bad or replaced one.(uh..hint)
On the other hand, employees of junk yards might be sawing them off the same way to avoid headaches with cats and sell them only in bulk.I don't believe junk yards can legally sell used cats around here..
Legislation also needs to address the REAL value of the "cat theft" which is more costly for what it takes to replace them and the time/cost involved for people that have had them stolen,NOT just the replacement value of the cat itself to determine the severity of the crime.They also have to realize they aren't sawing out ONE cat..but maybe 5-10 per night or day.

Sorry this is getting off post,sorry about that.. and this blog should probably be back to "cages for cats" but I do believe the mass marking/etching/of numbers, and painting of cats is a good idea.The only downside is it just forces thieves to target some other victim instead of you that didn't do it.

On that note..cages are vulnerable at their weakest points.If a cat can be sawn off and maybe a couple end bars taken off and the cat manuevered out one end of the cage,what good is the rest of the cage?Some auto cage dealers are welding stainless bars to the pipes and over/under cats for them to be too long to remove.One must also keep in mind that thieves don't care how much damage they do,it's NOT their car or future problem.If you force them to cut a frame member,an electrical harness,your metal floor,your muffler off,or some other $$$ parts that is in the way,they don't care.
The main idea for protection of your cat is to make it APPEAR to take too much time if they look at it,so the possibility of them getting caught while sawing them out is a major plus in whatever you design to deter the theft.Most cat thefts can be done in 1-2 minutes and they are gone..what makes it so lucrative.Even a 5 minute delay can make it not worth their while.Then they might have to deal with law enforcement,getting license plates id'ed(if their car or plate aren't stolen also),homeowners with guns,passerbys,noisy neighbors,etc..
Even a "CAT PROTECTION" bumper sticker or something appropriately placed where they might have to crawl under and look at "the job" may stop them from even leaving their car to check.."Nope,not that one..move on!".I'm surprised no one is selling THOSE! Maybe even a small spot of the bright orange VHT cat paint(shows them that you had some)on the rocker panel under the side door with "CAT MARKED" on it might work..Hmm..

The local police here want everyone to get surveilance cameras..that'll be the FIRST thing they ask you for a police report.."Have you got one?"..but what good are cameras if everybody is wearing a mask these days..and every thief in a hoodie? They might be able to identify the vehicle..and the group that uses it.
 

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Anyway,I've been looking into some type of cat protection that might be sufficient and as a deterrent rather than highly costly,Theives are more interested in a quick 2 minute cut,grab,and run rather than having to saw at something for a long period of time and possibly getting caught.
That's exactly right. Make it difficult enough, and they just look for another victim. There is no theft-proof anything. The best you can do is deter and delay.

I've also been a remodeling contractor for a lot of years and have experience with using sawzalls a lot,their favorite tool for cutting out cats.
Exactly right. And these thefts are made easier by the cheap and powerful cordless sawzalls (Yes, a Milwaukee brand name, but we all use it generically) that are so easy to find. My Ryobi sawzall is my tool of choice for cutting through mandrel bends these days even though I own two corded sawzalls. The batteries have enough life for several cuts, and no cords to tangle up and jump over. My cheap Ryobi would allow a cat thief to steal at least a dozen cats on a charge.

The hardest things to cut are moving cables,1/8" wire mesh,and stainless steel bars,,therefore I'm thinking that maybe some kind of galvanized chain link fencing mesh interlaced with stainless cables going through a couple of frame holes on the top side(higher than the cat blocking them from cutting) might be enough of a headache to make them think "why bother!"..I'll look for the next one! Throw in some clamps that jiggle(around the exhaust pipe and stainless cable or bar when they try to cut them;used more for making things not rattle when driving ,but do make noise when the they try to cut them and causing more noise might help them make up their mind also to move on. A stainless rod above the cat going through the chain link mesh to tie both sides of the mesh together around the cat and pipe up there,perhaps the cable wrapped through a couple drilled end holes in the bar..one look and they would go somewhere else.
Those are all good ideas. Some of them use rotary abrasive saws, and the loose mesh/rods/cable doesn't work so well against a rotary saw. Still, they have to spend time cutting through it.

I know that not everybody can do this, but removing the cat and leaving it in the garage is probably the best deterrent. That's going to be my move once weather is good enough to back the van out of the garage and work under it on the ground.

Lowering the van also helps. They don't usually bring jacks, from what I have seen.
 

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They still deal with junkies, they still buy cheap and sell at high markup & the damage done far exceeds the money made.
It gets worse than that. I watched a program about meth a while ago, and learned that some meth dealers accept stolen items as payment at below resale value. So, somebody can buy $20 worth of meth for a stolen cat that might be worth $200. The drug dealer himself acts as a fence, increasing his own profit and further damaging the community by making the community directly fund meth addiction by being victims of theft.
 
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