[kocka80]

allright here is the deal . Iam in the procces of start making the water pipe in my van so I can run it on hidrogen.So the pipe itself is 4" cpvc and 10 to 12" high
After I have carefully inspected :biggrin: the engine compartment I think I have find the place for it wich is right in front of the battery .that seems like a good location.But I was thinking I could gain more room by getting a smaller battery let`s say half a size . what are your toughts on having a smaller batt.Is it possible to put one in there and everything still works fine ? I really don`t wanto put this device anywhere else .and gonna have to sacrifice my windshield washer tank to be used as tha watertank for the pipe.
anyway let me know what you all think about this.
thank you

Kocka80

If anyone interested inthe water thingy here is the link
http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=bmt2005

 

[d3athm3talh3ad]

what are your toughts on having a smaller batt.Is it possible to put one in there and everything still works fine ?

batteries are measured in cold cranking amps (amps avail below 32 degrees f) and cranking amps...so long as you are getting a battery that is the same (or more)amps (same cca or same ca), and the terminals are the same position and type, you should be fine with a smaller battery, i would suggest placing it away from the battery or exhaust due to the fact that hydrogen is a really dangerous gas, and if the device develops a leak so close to the battery with a loose terminal, it may ruin your day...

here's another site with some free info...
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt10.html

would be interested in hearing how it goes and seeing some before and after numbers...

 

[kocka80]

i would suggest placing it away from the battery or exhaust due to the fact that hydrogen is a really dangerous gas, and if the device develops a leak so close to the battery with a loose terminal, it may ruin your day...

true but there is no other space in there tough that I could use and really dont want to put it inside the van .thank you for the input on the batt , and the exellent link. my device is a bit more sirius compare to that site but i did see some things that I will use from there insted . combine the the two I say .
just an exemple on the site they use pvc pipeping ,I will use highquality cpvc insted . right now I`m looking up some companies so I dont have to order everithing
out of state.

kocka80

 

[chops]

ok heres a thought since the battery is a concern in saftey and space matter why not relocate the battery to the back corner of the van???then youll have sufficient room and be safe too

 

[kocka80]

chops you`re the best :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

wait a minute how come I never tought of that ????????? :mrgreen:

 

[Gary]

allright here is the deal . Iam in the procces of start making the water pipe in my van so I can run it on
-" hidrogen."

Ahhhhhh,It's spelled hyrogen. oke: oke: :biglaugh:

NHRA ban the use of this as a fuel yrs ago stating it is one of the MOST unstable fuels.Yeah,it had a bad habit of blowing up alot.

The internet will sell you anything-weither it works safely or not is another matter.

The D.O.T. I think would not allow the use of this dangerous fuel.Research this out with your states D.O.T. and please site links where they say it is ok and what they require.I would think it would require placards and licensing at the very least.(yepper that is very expensive)EMT's,firefighters,and police need to know why they are going to a football size crater that used to be your driveway when things go wrong.Almost no flash point on this kind of fuel.The greater the flash point the less likely it will go boom.You should have known this before you "try" this out.

Plan a way to install a no static seating in your van and for sure no cell phone use-I think that would make things go wrong.

Check with your insurance co telling them what you want to do and site with links what they say.(could you come up with the money to advance a bond because no one will insure you?)Well this is based on the fact yrs ago no one would insure the drag race tracks for NHRA.

The Spell check I did on you was just kidding,but the point is I think you need to look into this more.Plse prove that it's use is legal and what you have to do to make it so.

Like the saying goes-"if your going to do the crime,you have to be willing to do the time".I think you will find it isn't D.O.T. approved.That the jail time is heavy and the fines are high.But prove me wrong with outside info or direct info from D.O.T. and your insurance co.

:noflame:

 

[chops]

Ahhhhhh,It's spelled hyrogen. oke: oke: :biglaugh: :noflame:

Gary You of All people commenting on Spelling :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

You must have gotten a key board w/Speel check (Spell check) because hydrogen is a big word oke: lol just joking GAR

 

[kocka80]

hidrogen or hydrogin .................................yeah long as you understand no problem lets just say english is not that I was born with.
anyway In reality no one is going to approve the making of this device for obvius reasons refer to Gary`s reply ,but I am going to make it anyway . the booklet cost me $50 and I`m willing to send it to you via e-mail for nothing so you can read trough the book ,see what you have to say afterwards. It not even close to the metal wall plate solution far better than that.according to the person (the guy who made this book) it is very safe if you following the step by step instructions . it is very precise and detailed . since most of this staff is not patented yet I really dont think anyone went anywhere for approval.
any way let me know .

 

[Gary]

Well-thanks for the offer of the email of the info,but after todays tour of a burn unit,I decided this is not for me.(or anyone close to me as well)

 

[kocka80]

but after todays tour of a burn unit

since my research is continues all the time on this ,could you direct me in there maybe I`ll learn something from it before hand ?

offer stands for anyone if interested by the way

 

[Gary]

but after todays tour of a burn unit

since my research is continues all the time on this ,could you direct me in there maybe I`ll learn something from it before hand ?

offer stands for anyone if interested by the way

NO!!!!!.The the first post I did was for you to prove it's use is legal and that YOUR insurance will support it's use.Do that and prove me wrong about the fuel.

Do you remember history.Japan had what dropped on it in the world war II???.Yeah a hyrogen bomb.

 

[timelessbeing]

Do you remember history.Japan had what dropped on it in the world war II???.Yeah a hyrogen bomb.

The bomb dropped on Hiroshima used nuclear fission, not combustion. There's buses driving around with hydrogen in my city right now.

 

[Gary]

Do you remember history.Japan had what dropped on it in the world war II???.Yeah a hyrogen bomb.

The bomb dropped on Hiroshima used nuclear fission, not combustion. There's buses driving around with hydrogen in my city right now.

The material used was the same is the point.

In context the request was to have LINKS shown where this can be used legally with a home brewed system from the U.S. D.O.T and his insurance comany.Getting that from outside sources will prove if it's safe for public use.

Second-if that step is taken and found the means to legally use it,

then you need to understand at minium terms like flash point.Or ya got no business messing with it.

Third-when any fuel creates more energy it also creates more heat and mods to a engine is needed for the long term like forged pistons.These things don't change just because it is made from "water".

Fourth- this is not new.Yrs ago there was talk about how a inventor came up with a way to power cars on water.It was thought the oil companies bought him off to keep from producing these systems.I think it was more likely found back then it was not safe for public use back then and drop.Now that the pricing of gas has gotten so high,people are bring back up info from yrs ago and making claims like it is the next best thing.

Lastly-My backround as a trained dangerous goods specialist,I am sure this is a dangerous good.No doubt what so ever and for very good reasons.Also,a long time drag racer,I know National Hot Rod Asso ban the use of this fuel yrs ago for the SAME reasons.No insurance companies would insure tracks with this fuel used.Yeah the same good reasons.That doesn't even take into account static electric or cell phones which are common place these days.It is nasty and doesn't take much for it to take off.A rusty bolt,greasy finger print,almost anything. Once started it doesn't stop and has a high likely hood to go boom.Jet fuel has a lower flash point and when fueling airplanes require the fuelers to be grounded.To tinker with this and not be trained is only a matter of time before...........

 

[moboman]

I think hydrogen is a great idea, but I also think that it would be better for you to convert your van to run on e85. It would be safer and almost as good for the enviornmnet. GM is developing plants to make e85 from woodchips, when that happens they claim it will be half the price of gas. With e85 you can always use regular gas and any shop could work on your van. IF you convert to this home brew hydrogen system, no one can work on your van, and if your county/state has them, would your van pass the emissions/saftey testing?

I just dont think hydrogen is where its at, sorry.

 

[timelessbeing]

The material used was the same is the point.

The material used in fertilizer is the same as in the Oklahoma city bombing.

 

[Chalet1]

I really think if the chap is wanting to convert to somethng that WILL take your ears off in an instant.. Hmmn let him. But I think if he has the money to do that conversion correctly, then people that have more money than needed, let them. :banana:
The tank will ride on top well, and as far as the battery is concerned, mount it on top also ,, I can hardly wait to see this one :afro:
Cheers
and good luck
Chuck

 

[Chalet1]

The material used was the same is the point.

The material used in fertilizer is the same as in the Oklahoma city bombing.

I think that is incorrect, the fertilizer was a nitro based white pellet mixed with diesel, simply set off with an electric blasting cap. We used to use this stuff to pop stumps out for clearing farm lands.
Chuck

 

[Gary]

The material used was the same is the point.

The material used in fertilizer is the same as in the Oklahoma city bombing.

:sarcasm: :help: :noflame: :yipes: :biglaugh: :lol!:

Now I feel so,much better about hyrogen. oke: :biglaugh:

 

[timelessbeing]

The material used was the same is the point.

The material used in fertilizer is the same as in the Oklahoma city bombing.

I think that is incorrect, the fertilizer was a nitro based white pellet mixed with diesel, simply set off with an electric blasting cap. We used to use this stuff to pop stumps out for clearing farm lands.
Chuck

Gary thinks that fusing hydrogen atoms together to create megaton explosions somehow implies that combusting hydrogen gas is equally destructive. I likened this logic to saying that we shouldn't use fertilizer because it contains nitrates, like the bomber in Oklahoma used. Thank you for strengthening my point.

 

[chops]

Personally I think the person who started this thread IS smart enough to reasearch it through and hopefully smart enough to do it safely. and check out all the legalities also. because I dont think it would be very smart to post that you are planning to do something that would be illegal on a open forum. As far as gary goes I just think hes just trying to be a good neighbor and just state some safety concers altho he sounds arguementative I think hes just concerned for the persons safety....so if you decide to go thru with this mod please post a definate how too...with LOTS OF PICS!!!! and please keep a fire suit and extinguisher handy lol