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Net neutrality: Clock is ticking for those who want old rules back

A new Burger King ad is trying to teach customers about net neutrality, using Whoppers to criticize the recent repeal of regulations that proponents said ensured equal access to the Internet. :)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...king-those-who-want-old-rules-back/357985002/

The days are now truly numbered for the federal regulations that prevent Internet service providers from blocking, throttling or prioritizing content on their broadband networks.

And for the groups who want those Net-neutrality rules to stay, the race is on.

Two months ago, the Federal Communications Commission repealed rules that prevented Internet service providers (ISPs) from blocking or slowing legal content. In their place, the agency passed lighter rules that require cable and telecom companies to disclose any slowing as well as prioritization of their own content or that of their partners, with the idea that consumer pressure would force ISPs to play fair.

But the new rules - backed by cable and telecom companies - do not officially go into effect until 60 days after the regulations appear in the Federal Register, which happened Thursday.

That means proponents of the older, stronger so-called Net-neutrality rules, which include several state attorneys general and coalitions of tech companies, have about two months to prevent the new regulations from going into effect in April.

ISPs such as AT&T and Comcast have said they won't block or throttle legal websites, though some have left open the option of charging more for some content.

Regardless, several initiatives are underway in Congress and at state and local governmental levels to reinstate the 2015 Net-neutrality rules, supported by President Obama and passed by a Democrat-led FCC. Those regulations also prohibited ISPs from charging content providers for "fast lanes" that more quickly deliver content.

At the top of Net-neutrality supporters' wish list: passage of a Congressional Review Act measure to reinstate the original rules. The 1996 CRA lets Congress pass a resolution blocking a rule enacted by a federal agency if it acts within 60 days of notification (via the Federal Register).

A vote on such a resolution is highly unlikely as it requires Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan, both Republicans, to schedule a vote.

To drum up public support for a vote, Sens. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., and U.S. Rep. Mike Doyle, D-Pa., will host a press event Tuesday as part of a planned Net Neutrality National Day of Action. They will be joined by representatives from several pro-Net-neutrality consumer groups.

Markey has 50 supporters in the Senate: 47 Democrats, Independents Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) and Angus King (Maine) and Republican Susan Collins (Maine). In the House, Doyle has 143 Democratic co-sponsors for a measure.

"Nobody should be able to influence what videos you watch, which sites you read and which services you use, but the Trump FCC's action will take that decision away from all of us, jeopardizing free speech and small business innovation," said Rep. Frank Pallone, D-N.J., in a statement. "The fight officially begins today to protect the free and open internet."

In February 2015, when the FCC passed the Open Internet order, drafted to enforce Net-neutrality rules, then-Chairman Tom Wheeler said the measure was needed because "broadband providers have both the economic incentive and the technological capability to abuse their gatekeeper position."

But current Chairman Ajit Pai, who voted against the rules in 2015, considered them intrusive, unneeded burden on ISPs. His proposal, passed in December and now published, eased the protections and overturned the 2015 rules' reliance on Title II of the Communications Act of 1934 allowing the agency to oversee ISPs as if they are utilities or "common carriers" like the traditional landline phone system.

Those who consider these new regulations too lax are looking beyond Congress for remedies. State officials, tech companies and consumer advocacy groups have taken their own actions to overturn them.

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, joined by 22 other states, officially filed a suit federal court in Washington, D.C., challenging the FCC's new rules. In December, Schneiderman said he would take such action and in January announced he had nearly two dozen other states joining him in the suit.

Several governors, one of the latest being Republican Vermont Gov. Phil Scott, have signed executive orders requiring the states only do business with ISPs that uphold the 2015 rules' standards.

More than half of the states have introduced legislation preventing ISPs from blocking and prioritizing content. Many mayors voiced opposition to an overturning of the 2015 rules, too. "Local politicians are reading their coffee grounds and checking recent public polls, which show overwhelming bipartisan support for Net neutrality," said Timothy Carr, senior director of strategy and communications at Free Press, a consumer advocacy group, in a national look at the issue.

Free Press also filed one of several preliminary lawsuits challenging the FCC's overturning of the 2015 rules. Now it and other parties including Mozilla, maker of Firefox browser, have begun re-filing their legal briefs with the new rules' official publication.

Whether the states can be legally successful with their challenges remains to be seen, says Brent Skorup, a senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. But state attorneys general, along with the Federal Trade Commission, provide plenty of consumer protections under the new regulations, he says.

"This is a conflict of vision about the state and what the FCC should do. I expect the broad debate will continue," he said. "It might not be called Net neutrality, but (it will address) what role should government have in this powerful new medium of the Internet."

Still, a majority of Americans favor rules preventing ISPs from blocking content according to a nationally-representative survey conducted in September 2017 by Consumers Union, which supports a restoration of the 2015 rules. More than half (57%) supported the Net-neutrality rules, and 67% disagreed that providers should be able to choose what content customers can access.

Now that the rules have been published, said Consumers Union senior policy counsel Jonathan Schwantes, "we urge senators to listen to the consumers they represent and vote to restore these critical Net-neutrality rules to ensure that Internet service providers aren't the gatekeepers to the Internet." :shrug:
 

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...A new Burger King ad is trying to teach customers about net neutrality...
Stopped there w/ the wife today for their "2 for $6" Whopper special.
It's all we got and the tab was $7.63 - tax is only 36 cents on $6.

He said the cheese was a buck or something as I drove off .....
What were you saying about the internet?

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I had to wait 5 minutes before i could reply because my mobile broadband is being throttled. :shhh:

It's all fun & games until your neighbors movie download interferes with your forum posting. :doh:

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It's easy for cloistered Washington politicos to assume that Net Neutrality is dead, undone in December by the Trump FCC and its Verizon-friendly chairman, Ajit Pai. But any elected official who follows O'Neill's advice and walks beyond the Beltway is hearing a very different story.

States and cities fight back
In the eight weeks since the FCC voted to take away Net Neutrality, a groundswell of activism by local advocates and politicians has revived prospects for lasting open-internet safeguards.

Elected officials in more than 25 states (see below) have introduced measures to prevent large phone and cable companies like AT&T, Comcast and Verizon from blocking, throttling or otherwise interfering with online content.

Just last week, the governors of Hawaii and New Jersey joined those from Montana and New York in issuing executive orders that force internet service providers that do business with their states to abide by strong Net Neutrality standards. (UPDATE: Vermont joined as well on Feb. 15.)

On Friday, Washington State legislators voted 93-5 to pass House Bill 2282, which prohibits access providers from blocking or impairing online traffic. The bill is now working its way through the state Senate. :clap:

Similar legislation is under consideration in statehouses from Georgia to Oregon, by way of Tennessee, Nebraska, South Dakota and many points in between.

Attorneys general from 21 states (plus the District of Columbia) have filed a lawsuit claiming that the FCC's repeal violates federal law.

Municipalities are joining the fight too. Last month, San Francisco announced that any private-sector applicant seeking a contract to build the city's proposed fiber network must abide by the Obama FCC's 2015 Net Neutrality rules.

https://www.freepress.net/blog/2018/02/14/net-neutrality-politics-local

States now considering Net Neutrality legislation
Alaska
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Nebraska
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Dakota
Tennessee
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin

States with executive orders from governors
Hawaii
Montana
New Jersey
New York
Vermont
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If your state isn't listed above...
Washington, D.C., can withstand only so much pressure from people back home. At some point elected officials will have to take those Saturday walks and explain their stance to constituents who are hungry for real Net Neutrality protections. They better get it right. :poke:
 

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Washington Governor Signs First State Net Neutrality Bill. :dance:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/business/net-neutrality-washington-state.html

Residents of Washington State are getting so-called net neutrality rules back, with the nation's first state law that prevents internet service providers from blocking and slowing down content online.

The law, signed on Monday by Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat, is the most sweeping state action so far against new federal rules that strip away regulations on how high-speed internet providers handle digital data. The dismantling of the nationwide rules, approved by the Federal Communications Commission last year, set off a fierce outcry from consumers and tech companies.

Opponents of the change in the federal regulations fear that without strong rules, internet service providers will create faster and slower lanes online to extract fees for better service. The F.C.C. said it got rid of the rules because they restrained broadband providers like Verizon and Comcast from experimenting with new business models and investing in new technologies.

The Washington State law, which goes into effect June 6, bars internet service providers from blocking websites or charging more for faster delivery of certain sites in a way that benefits the broadband company and partner websites.

The new law is one of several efforts to counter the F.C.C. change. Lawmakers in about two dozen states have introduced bills similar to Washington's. And multiple governors, including in New York and Montana, have signed executive actions that prohibit internet service providers with state contracts from blocking or slowing data on their lines.

Several lawsuits against the F.C.C. have also been filed, including by consumer groups and numerous state attorneys general. Another suit was filed Monday by tech companies such as Etsy, Foursquare and Kickstarter.

But the law in Washington State goes further by immediately putting back into place consumer protections provided by the 2015 federal rules. The law passed with broad bipartisan support in the state legislature. :clap:

"At the core of our action today is consumer protection," Mr. Inslee said in an interview. "States need to act because under the Trump administration, we have seen citizens, including seven million in Washington, stripped of core protections like the open internet." :ty:

The actions by the states, both the executive actions and the new Washington law, are almost certain to end up in the courts. The F.C.C. has asserted it has the only authority to oversee broadband internet services, because the data on the internet passes across multiple state lines. In the rules it passed last year to reduce the regulations, the agency explicitly said states could not create their own rules.

Internet service providers could also sue Washington State to overturn its rules. The companies could also sue states whose governors have signed executive orders demanding net neutrality. :shrug:
 

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Is "Net Neutrality" GOOD or BAD for people who stream videos using Cable, Home Ph. fiber optics or Satellite?

Mike - that's (3) "Trumps" now in this thread/topic.
 

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Is "Net Neutrality" GOOD or BAD for people who stream videos using Cable, Home Ph. fiber optics or Satellite?
Mike - that's (3) "Trumps" now in this thread/topic.
Short answer... "Net neutrality" is GOOD, and it trumps the "pay to play" alternative. :)

Long answer... Net neutrality explained with beer :p
 

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Short answer... "Net neutrality" is GOOD, and it trumps the "pay to play" alternative. :)

Long answer... Net neutrality explained with beer :p
That is a good one! You would think that it's a pretty simple concept, but some will still not understand it.
 

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Well, here's to Beer for helping all of uns to understand thisun Neutral thing.

Really - it's not so much the concept of understanding it...
...as it is really a question as to whether it is a good or bad thing.

Perception of wrongdoing is not a reason for outrage.

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Really - it's not so much the concept of understanding it...
...as it is really a question as to whether it is a good or bad thing.
They can already block/throttle/control anything illegal, why should they be able to do that to legal content? To relate it to other things, I'm glad that my water company can't block me from taking a shower and force me to take a bath instead. I also like that my power company can't tell me to only use Black and Decker tools with my outlets. I also like that my gas company can't tell me that I have to use their brand furnace to heat my house. I'm really glad that I don't have to use a phone company provided phone, and only call people on their network.
I really like it that my internet provider can't block/throttle/control/charge more for access to legal content, and I think it's in the best interest of every consumer that it stays that way.
If it costs an average of $6 per month to have the average American connected to the internet, that is a damn nice profit already for these companies that are charging $30/40/60/80 a month to each customer. And yet they still want more, more, more.

I guess if you have a lot of shares in Comcrap or ATT, I can see pressing for it, but for the rest of us Americans, it will only hurt us.

Can you tell me any benefit to taking away the consumer protections that are in place?

Thankfully, for those of us that care, the Senate has voted to overturn the FCC's decision to repeal net neutrality protections. But that's just 1 step, time to let the House know. https://act.eff.org/action/tell-congres ... rnet-order
 

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I'll think after a couple of months - get back with ya'.

All you can say now is ... "The Devil incarnate Trump" must have something to do with all this horribleness.

Mike - thinks very few people care about this non-burger.
 

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sixsix said:
Really - it's not so much the concept of understanding it...
...as it is really a question as to whether it is a good or bad thing.
They can already block/throttle/control anything illegal, why should they be able to do that to legal content? To relate it to other things, I'm glad that my water company can't block me from taking a shower and force me to take a bath instead. I also like that my power company can't tell me to only use Black and Decker tools with my outlets. I also like that my gas company can't tell me that I have to use their brand furnace to heat my house. I'm really glad that I don't have to use a phone company provided phone, and only call people on their network.
I really like it that my internet provider can't block/throttle/control/charge more for access to legal content, and I think it's in the best interest of every consumer that it stays that way.
If it costs an average of $6 per month to have the average American connected to the internet, that is a damn nice profit already for these companies that are charging $30/40/60/80 a month to each customer. And yet they still want more, more, more.

I guess if you have a lot of shares in Comcrap or ATT, I can see pressing for it, but for the rest of us Americans, it will only hurt us.

Can you tell me any benefit to taking away the consumer protections that are in place?

Thankfully, for those of us that care, the Senate has voted to overturn the FCC's decision to repeal net neutrality protections. But that's just 1 step, time to let the House know. https://act.eff.org/action/tell-congres ... rnet-order
Perfectly said, Will.

Do you want to pay an access fee to access Facebook? Already in place in Australia. Paying for internet access isn't enough - even paying through the nose. They want MORE. Want Netflix? Yup, that's a premium you have to add. Went over your Netflix data 'allowance?' Pay more.

Net neutrality is a very big deal. Unfortunately, most people have no idea just how big a deal it is. Until it's too late.
 

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I'll think after a couple of months - get back with ya'.
No hurries, no worries. Figured it might take a while ;)

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All you can say now is ... "The Devil incarnate Trump" must have something to do with all this horribleness.
I don't care who is behind it, I'm of the opinion that it is a horrible idea. We can talk about Trump if you would like but that doesn't factor in here. One of the Donald Trump quotes that always gives me a laugh: 'I love the poorly educated', until I actually think about it, then I stop laughing.

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Net neutrality is a very big deal. Unfortunately, most people have no idea just how big a deal it is. Until it's too late.
Exactly!

Maybe someday our government can get back to more by the people for the people instead of by the corporations for the corporations.
 

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No hurries, no worries. Figured it might take a while ;)
This was a ref. to how long it took to respond - not how long I will have to labor with that thinking thing.
;)

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I don't care who is behind it, I'm of the opinion that it is a horrible idea.
Of course you do - may as well own it...

AstroWill said:
We can talk about Trump if you would like ...
Only if civility, fairness and factual content are priorities.
Political proclivities aside - common sense can prevail.

AstroWill said:
... 'I love the poorly educated' ...
Well, for goodness sake - stand back while the "non-sinners" throw their rocks.
A good amount of what was/is said is the same as what most are thinking anyway.
( does anyone know people say the n word in the privacy of their own house )

Leeann_93 said:
Do you want to pay an access fee to access Facebook? Already in place in Australia.
Well, we don't compare to "other countries", now do we really? But if it is worth it, service-wise, yes, you should pay for it. I quit fb 2-3 years back - altho I do keep up w/ Ted and Toby Nugent.
And while we don't use a cell phone, we use fiber optics for full feature phone, 500mb web & HD dvrtv - $145 / mo.
We own our router and modem. The tv channels are by far the biggest cost - $80-$100.

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Paying for internet access isn't enough - even paying through the nose. They want MORE. Want Netflix? Yup, that's a premium you have to add. Went over your Netflix data 'allowance?' Pay more.
Whhhaaat??? You don't think Bandwidth should be paid for? ... "hey kids, got your phones... here's your free internet..."

Leeann_93 said:
Net neutrality is a very big deal. Unfortunately, most people have no idea just how big a deal it is. Until it's too late.
Most people had no idea "Net Neutrality" even went into effect.
Put yourself opposite the table - you would be wondering what the market can bear and how much profit can be made.
But keep up a good face w/o being greedy.
Only then report to your shareholders.

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... government can get back to more by the people for the people ...
As long as it is for ALL "the People" and not just the ones who won't take care of themselves.
Anything else and it is flat out socialism...
Borders on communism...
And comes perilously close to far leftist democratic government suffocation.

Walter Williams / George Mason U. reminds his readers often about the perils of giving our monies to others to distribute to unworthy recipients. Think welfare / foodstamp / free money, stuff, food, babies programs.

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This was a ref. to how long it took to respond - not how long I will have to labor with that thinking thing.
Gotcha, well, I will be on the site for the foreseeable future, again, no hurries, no worries. Your choice to take as long as you want, or to not even answer.

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AstroWill said:
I don't care who is behind it, I'm of the opinion that it is a horrible idea.
Of course you do - may as well own it...
If that were the case, I would. That may be your reasoning, but it's not mine.

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AstroWill said:
We can talk about Trump if you would like ...
Only if civility, fairness and factual content are priorities.
:rofl: :rofl:

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Leeann_93 said:
Paying for internet access isn't enough - even paying through the nose. They want MORE. Want Netflix? Yup, that's a premium you have to add. Went over your Netflix data 'allowance?' Pay more.
Whhhaaat??? You don't think Bandwidth should be paid for? ... "hey kids, got your phones... here's your free internet..."
(sigh)Paying for bandwidth is not the issue, I think there still might be some confusion... oh well.

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Most people had no idea "Net Neutrality" even went into effect.
That is because that is how the internet was built, from the ground up until providers started messing with it. Then the complaints started, so this policy was to address those complaints and the internet provider fuckery that was going on.

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Put yourself opposite the table - you would be wondering what the market can bear and how much profit can be made.
But keep up a good face w/o being greedy.
Only then report to your shareholders.
There is no "what the market can bear" when you have a monopoly. If there would be mandatory competition, and I mean real competition, then it wouldn't be much of an issue. ~96% of Americans have 2 or less choices for broadband providers.

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Maybe someday our government can get back to more by the people for the people instead of by the corporations for the corporations.
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As long as it is for ALL "the People" and not just the ones who won't take care of themselves.
Agreed. Then again for me it was easy to never be on welfare/etc. I'm a white American that comes from a middle class family. Though not everyone has had the same privileges/advantages that I have had and I understand that.
 

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You really don't understand.

We're all already paying for bandwidth. They want you to pay above and beyond your monthly access fees for the internet to access Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, Snapchat, Instagram, forums... You're not paying Facebook for that access, you're paying an additional fee to the internet provider you're already paying for internet access.

Think of is as a la carte - you pay for the steak (basic internet access) monthly, but to access all these other places (most of what you do online), you have to pay for one scoop of mashed potatoes, an additional fee for butter, sour cream and cheese - an additional fee for each of those items - and additional fee for a salad, an additional fee for steamed veggies, etc. If you want two scoops of mashed potatoes, that's double. And two portions of butter or sour cream or cheese, well that's double too.

Now do you get it????

You already pay 6 or 7 times per month what it costs the internet provider to provide you access. They're making a ton of money, but they want LOTS more. Without net neutrality, they can charge whatever the hell they want on top of the already humongous fee, whenever they want.
 

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Can you tell me any benefit to taking away the consumer protections that are in place?
sixsix said:
I'll think after a couple of months - get back with ya'.
AstroWill said:
No hurries, no worries. Figured it might take a while ;)
sixsix said:
This was a ref. to how long it took to respond - not how long I will have to labor with that thinking thing.
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Gotcha, well, I will be on the site for the foreseeable future, again, no hurries, no worries. Your choice to take as long as you want, or to not even answer.
OK - to what "consumer protections" do you refer? Is that the question I was to answer?

Wellll,
I know... every day - I can be on the internet - school will let out - kids walk by and within 30 min - I lose any speed I had - wireless dies and uploads will creep.
After 2-3 hours - guess movies end - homework is done... things pick up again - wife can stand to be on the net again w/o having to wait.

Then it starts again about 7-8 pm. We lose bandwidth. Now I can pay for more, sure, but I don't need it all the time.

So it remains that IT IS ALL ABOUT THE BUCK ( bandwidth ). And who has more of em'. Like cell phone users - you would think money for phone stuff grew on trees.

As far as using it as a political, abusive, discriminatory or persuasive tool.... well, that ship had already sailed.

And who says we HAVE to have more than 2 choices, altho lucky us have 4 here - and just keep bouncing back and forth between providers that offer the best TV package over the most time.
Not everyone can have everything all the time.
'Spose you also ascribe to "everyone gets a trophy...".

Ahhh, the good ol' days.
But, maybe I am spoiled... came here w/ family from Berlin at 3 yrs, 15 yrs & I'm a Natz'd. Citizen.
Jet engines, Marines and CNC machine tool prog'g. and applications till 2 years ago. Disabled w/ n stage COPD/emphesema.
Don't use VA and can't stomach handouts. Having worn many collars has helped to keep us grounded with good common sense and courtesy being the bottom lines.

And as far as speaking w/ civility - I was talking about us - not the Prez. And speaking of... I just want him ( or her ) to be a "good President" and represent America's public interests. We do not care if he is an asshole, a civil likable person, philanderer or master manipulator.

Mike - Leeann, sorry - did not see your post

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Leeann_93 said:
You really don't understand.
Leeann_93 said:
Think of is as a la carte
...
Leeann_93 said:
Now do you get it????
Wow - analogies to steak and potatoes.
I would never have picked up on your subtle inference.

Now let's say "Net Neutrality" ( NN ) had remained in affect and your now feeling just fine and hunky dory.
Then all those people that provide internet service raise their rates. Nothing said ( w/ NN ) that they can't.

How is NN going to prevent that? Lawsuit... court system - haha. Years later - things will be long forgotten and their competitors will take over and the circle goes on.

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Every time you say something about charging for bandwidth, you just aren't getting it. Charging for bandwidth has nothing to do with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality

Your bandwidth problems due to your ISP overselling their capacity has nothing to do with net neutrality either.

My electric company charges me x amount per kWh. They can charge more for x, they can charge less for x. Net neutrality applied to them would say that they can't tell me what I can/can't use that kWh for. Or tell me that I can only have a 10amp service unless I use their brand refrigerator.

My water company charges me x per cubic ft. They can charge more for x, they can charge less for x. Net neutrality applied to them would say that they can't tell me that I can't wash my iguana with that water that I paid for. Or saying that they can sell me the exact same water, but if I use it to wash my iguana, I have to pay 2x per cubic ft.

My gas company charges me x per therm. They can charge more for x, they can charge less for x. Net neutrality applied to them would say that they can't charge me more per therm if I set my thermostat at 78 instead of their recommended 72.

My ISP charges me x for 60meg down, and 5meg up. They can charge more for x, they can charge less for x. They can even change their billing and charge per y volume of data.
Net neutrality applied to them would say that they can't block me from viewing http://www.iguanalife.com with the bandwidth I paid for because they don't like iguanas.
Net neutrality applied to them would say that just because they have their own streaming service or prefer Steve's Steaming Streaming Service, that it's not ok to slow down my viewing of http://www.competitor.com with the bandwidth I paid for.
Net neutrality applied to them would say that they can't block my access to the internet bandwidth that I paid for because I choose to use IE on WIndows(not a choice anyone should make).
Net neutrality applied to them would say that they can't block me from using Vic's Vapid VOIP as my VOIP provider with the bandwidth I paid for because they offer their own VOIP phone service.
And yes, even though names have been changed, all of these actions have already been done by some ISPs.

In all honesty I feel that either:
A. You truly don't understand the principals behind net neutrality.
B. You do understand it, and are choosing to ________ __________ ______________ _________ __________ _________ _________.

Either way i don't think that I can be of any more assistance in this matter.

sixsix said:
And as far as speaking w/ civility - I was talking about us - not the Prez. And speaking of... I just want him ( or her ) to be a "good President" and represent America's public interests.
This we agree on. There is probably a whole lot that we do agree on, though with text we tend to miss out on a lot of important subtleties that would normally be conveyed with an in-person conversation.

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'Spose you also ascribe to "everyone gets a trophy...".
Actually, I think there should only be a trophy for 1st place, second place is just the first loser, and losers shouldn't get trophies.
 

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All good Will,
I promise to never write out the word _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ...
if - you tell me what you meant here:
AstroWill said:
B. You do understand it, and are choosing to ________ __________ ______________ _________ __________ _________ _________.

Either way I don't think that I can be of any more assistance in this matter.
Being retired affords me enough time to research, check a few things out at the library and read a gajillion opinions, fact studies and internet stuff. Hard to find ANY real facts w/o anecdotal influence.

No, don't need any assistance at all - we here in Ky have a few senses left about us. ( I do not speak for Randy, tho... lol ) I enjoyed Leeann's and your attempt ( I really do appreciate you 2's ardor - and scoundrel's open ) at describing the perils of NN being reversed.

Mike
 
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