[sixsix]

But...

If you don't think this is about money and control - then maybe I should bow out.
While at the same time truly going on record as saying I appreciate good adult conversation and debate.

Oh, one other thing - some "real life examples / proof" would have sheltered yall's stuff just a tad better.
What would be Ajit's motive. - what advantages are there?

I still cannot believe the audacity of folks that think they should be able to stream video, use heavy flow devices and get services FREE basically for pennies.

When most used to have to pay for them in the traditional method:
- going to movies
- paying for heavy flow stuff
- cell phone service should not be cheap - it is a true luxury item
- buying special iguana-wash items at the local pet store instead of thinking the phone co should provide it...
.
.
OK - I jest there

Our "circle of friends" is minute.
Yet I consider 99% of the folks on this forum friends - past & present. 'cept lumpy.

Mike

 

[AstroWill]

All good Will,
I promise to never write out the word _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ...
if - you tell me what you meant here:

B. You do understand it, and are choosing to ________ __________ ______________ _________ __________ _________ _________.

Either way I don't think that I can be of any more assistance in this matter.

Sure, arbitrary length and number of _, it's blank, because I don't know you well enough to guess at what it could possibly be.
And I'm sure that nobody will have anything to say about you using the word Holocaust. Even if it was a horrible thing it's especially good to discuss even horrible things, though hopefully not in regard to having them happen again or denying that they happened. It's never about particular words anyway, it's the meaning/intent behind those words that matter.

But...
If you don't think this is about money and control - then maybe I should bow out.

It's about discrimination.

While at the same time truly going on record as saying I appreciate good adult conversation and debate.

As do I.

Oh, one other thing - some "real life examples / proof" would have sheltered yall's stuff just a tad better.

Pretty sure they aren't only "on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard." So if you choose not to take a look yourself, that is your choice.

What would be Ajit's motive. - what advantages are there?

Ask him, his statements don't really make sense to me and go against published facts. Could be the 10's of millions spent yearly in lobbying by the ISP corporations, but I have no way of knowing what is going on inside of his head. There has to be something there, seems all of the public statements outside of the ISPs are pro net neutrality, with only the ISPs being against it. There is something inherently wrong with going against the desires of your constituents IMO.

I still cannot believe the audacity of folks that think they should be able to stream video, use heavy flow devices and get services FREE basically for pennies.

When most used to have to pay for them in the traditional method:
- going to movies
- paying for heavy flow stuff
- cell phone service should not be cheap - it is a true luxury item
- buying special iguana-wash items at the local pet store instead of thinking the phone co should provide it...

We still pay for the movies, we still pay for the bandwith, we still pay for cell phone service(regardless of what you feel it should cost, the providers choose what they want to charge), and iguana-wash is water, no special iguana-wash from the pet store needed(though I can probably find some BS advertisement that would say otherwise).

If I pay for x bandwidth, I should be able to do whatever I choose to do with it, provided that it's legal, without any ISP manipulation. Same as I can do with the water I pay for, I can drink it, flush it down the toilet, spray my son with the hose, mix it with soap and blow bubbles, without my water company getting involved with any legal use that I choose. Note: Waterboarding is torture, and shouldn't be done at any time, regardless of where you get your water from or how much you paid for it.

That is the greatest thing about the internet, you don't have to use google, facebook, twitter, netflix, or _________. As long as you have an open internet connection you can choose whatever sites YOU want to use, net neutrality ensures that. Anti-net neutrality destroys that choice and puts it onto the whims of your particular ISP. Which considering that 76% of people have 1 or less providers that service them with industry-standard broadband speeds, you can see where that becomes an issue. https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attac ... 2358A1.pdf

 

[sixsix]

I did read a few "real world" examples of abuse... that already occurred ( strangely similar to your analogies ) in an article about NN.

Mike

 

[AstroWill]

...strangely similar to your analogies...

Every time you say something about charging for bandwidth, you just aren't getting it. Charging for bandwidth has nothing to do with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality

And yes, even though names have been changed, all of these actions have already been done by some ISPs.

Strangely? Probably wasn't a coincidence.

...we here in Ky have a few senses left about us.

I don't use KY, I prefer ASTROglide :rofl:

 

[sixsix]

I prefer ASTROglide

Funny and explains a lot.

:rofl:

Mike

 

[Big_kid]

... I don't use KY, I prefer ASTROglide :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ok, I sat down with a bowl of popcorn, ready to read this thread and see where it went.

No arguing.
No name calling.
No tantrums.

What's with all this respectful intellectual discourse? Isn't there supposed to be name calling, mud slinging, and a bunch of "my dog's better than your dog because he gets Ken'l Ration" going on? You know, stuff moderators normally have to delete?

None of this? :think: :think: :think:

Thank you!

I guess I can throw away my popcorn now.

 

[sixsix]

And to think I was just going to make fun of you over in the other thread.
When you said "no work work" on Fridays.

I was going to say - Union?

Mike - still :rofl: ?

 

[Big_kid]

HA! Go for it, I'll most likely agree with you.

When it's time for annual maintenance, I actually DO the maintenance. I don't just wipe the dirt off the outside and call it good. I've just spent some down time doing paperwork/scheduling a windshield repair/rebuilding rebuild-able parts while waiting for a trouble call to come in- if something should break. So long as there's SOMETHING that at least appears to be productive on my time sheet, I'm good. And no, it's not a union job. (nor public service)

And yes, I'm still :rofl:. It's all good!

 

[AstroWill]

... I don't use KY, I prefer ASTROglide :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ok, I sat down with a bowl of popcorn, ready to read this thread and see where it went.

No arguing.
No name calling.
No tantrums.

What's with all this respectful intellectual discourse? Isn't there supposed to be name calling, mud slinging, and a bunch of "my dog's better than your dog because he gets Ken'l Ration" going on? You know, stuff moderators normally have to delete?

None of this? :think: :think: :think:

Thank you!

I guess I can throw away my popcorn now.

Some thought that it couldn't be done

No need to throw out some good popcorn, speaking of which, TY for the reminder, we are out of popcorn.

 

[sixsix]

I was pleasantly surprised that I was able to keep from pulling my knife...
Altho' I did notice Leeann picked up her ball and went home thinking things were hopeless.

She was right. This NN was a democratic/Obama Regulation Hardship. There was absolutely no need for the Gov't. to get involved.
The "Internet" had done just fine for over fifteen years w/o 'Help'. NN caused quite a bit of infrastructure delay as investors were 'put off' by the Gov't. and associated regulations like seemingly anti-discriminate actions and inappropriate procedures.

Yes, I am an unabashed Conservative Trump supporter who hates nazis of any kind, shape or color, hate speech of any kind, freeloaders, our present "Black Leadership", idiots, people that use excuses instead of taking care of things themselves and most of all - blamers.

And on a side note to the Internet discussion - Jeannie and I began writing text based web pages in 1993 similar to BBS stuff. I had gotten laid off from Cincinnati Milacron in 92 and while working in a Microcenter PC applications & buildup shop, had plenty of time on my hands.
Knew this Internet thing was a winner - just did not realize how big.
Bought the First "HTML for Dummies" in late 94 and had our first fully graphic "Web Page with internal and external Links" Online in 95.

The Page reflected 3 main topics: Our recent travels to the Carib and the 2 week stay in Hawaii replete w/ gobs of beautiful huge photos & avatars/icons.
Then a new page of info for people afflicted w/ Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ( CFS ) and/or Fibromyalgia. The wife is a moderator & contributor for the CFS Chronicle. She has 20+ years of "First Hand" knowledge, unfortunately.
We wrapped up the page w/ some cute stuff about our family of AKC Shih Tzus. Tried backgrounds and moving objects.

Had some good plain old ownership info, stories, photos, vet stuff and 2 or 3 outside links.
That page got visited by and rated by some of the Internet pioneers and somehow got our Page(s) tops in the search engines of the day - "Dogpile" comes to mind.

For about 3 years if you searched for "Shih Tzus", "CFS/FM" or "Hawaii Vacation" EXACTLY Verbatim - our page came up.

We used Netscape as IE was not even avail and it was all 9600 baud dialup - so we spent A LOT of time waiting.

Not as long as agonizing thru this article... thanks

Mike

 

[Leeann_93]

I haven't gone anywhere. Will was doing so well, no need to chime in.

 

[Big_kid]

I guess Jeeves cleaned up that dogpile, huh?

Wait- they're still around!

 

[AstroWill]

I guess Jeeves cleaned up that dogpile, huh?

Would have to ask him :rofl:

 

[AstroWill]

This NN was a democratic/Obama Regulation Hardship. There was absolutely no need for the Gov't. to get involved.
The "Internet" had done just fine for over fifteen years w/o 'Help'. NN caused quite a bit of infrastructure delay as investors were 'put off' by the Gov't. and associated regulations like seemingly anti-discriminate actions and inappropriate procedures.

According to the financials, and to what the largest ISP companies were/are telling investors. that is blatantly false.

There were a crap ton of complaints, and the regulations were to address those complaints from US citizens, ya know, the people that our government is supposed to serve.

If you choose not to do your research, that is fine, but it definitely shows in your statements.

 

[sixsix]

If you choose not to do your research, that is fine, but it definitely shows in your statements.

And you obviously chose or just plain never got down to the end of the NN article on Wiki.
My statements are based on fact, gleaned after reading most everything I could find.

And a fair amount was NOT web-based. I do admit to forming my own opinion w/ the "no need for the Gov't." comment.
But I do stand by that - the complaints could very well have been taken care of privately. Certain parties feel that someone ( usually Gov't. ) should come fix...

Do you really think it is about anything but money and power. Power is one participant's key here. Non-interference - the other.

I do admit that I am probably not as proficient as some with my argument. And a bit is based on somewhat anecdotal evidence, present day real-time articles and past history journals. Obama's bunch thought they were doing the right thing, but were cursed with lack of foresight and not being able to think tank the future of the "Explosive Internet Expansion Affect".

The "Flocking to the Internet and Cell Phone / Media Usage" by EVERYBODY has hurt immensely. In ways not easily conveyed or described here. Demands on time and money offered to Media that had / has no business being on the Internet.
And No, I am not a Luddite. But I am caught up in a world that takes for granted - technological advancement - for the sake of stuff for which impressionable society has absolutely no need.

Mike

 

[AstroWill]

And you obviously chose or just plain never got down to the end of the NN article on Wiki.

What part is that?

 

[sixsix]

And you obviously chose or just plain never got down to the end of the NN article on Wiki.

What part is that?

I am not in a position to say.
But, if I were a betting man, my money would be on...

Quite possibly the parts that did not go along w/ your thinking.

Mike

 

[AstroWill]

ROFL

 

[sixsix]

^ same here

 

[scoundrel2u]

I must admit that I thought this thread was dead a couple days after i posted the news from various sources... :shock:

My primary reason for the post was purely for informational purposes and to discover if anyone actually cared, before it was too late.
Any political spin was from the news source.

It wasn't ever meant to be a partisan issue or an attack on our Commander in Chief. I can clearly see, now, that Net Neutrality is being handled differently throughout the nation. Some States are self-regulating others need rules.
But, was the discussion really about "net neutrality," or about whether to trust the FCC with broader powers over the internet? :think:

Thanks to everyone who participated in a good & healthy debate. Regardless of your opinion, you have my respect and admiration for caring enough to respond. You are "We the People." As a Conservative, Christian, and strong advocate for civil liberties... This is our First Amendment right in action. :clap: