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Pulled My V8-350 Today

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Pulled my V8-350 today! I'm going to do a little clean-up... a few performance improvements... a valve job and resurface heads (if the heads are still good). Some of the upgrades include a new high-volume water pump, and a new HEI distributor as well. The transmission is also getting new fluid and filter, along with a new higher 2400 stall performance lock-up converter. Doing some seal work on the PS pump and steering-box while it's all apart too.

While the motor was out and still hanging... I "test fit" some Hooker SuperComp long-tube headers, but they did not fit with the custom V8 swap motor-mounts. I guess I'll be sticking with the Hedman 68600 block-hugger headers which fit perfectly.

Looks like everything will probably go back on exactly as it came off... which makes the job really simple and easy. Nothing to figure out this time!

I've been driving with the V8 for about a year and 1/2 now and everything has been great...with a subtle minor issue that I think is related to a head gasket.. and possibly valves. Tomorrow I will pull the top half of engine apart (heads and intake only) ... at take it from there. If it turns out there are any extended issues with the heads, I've already shopped and I am prepared to purchase a set of new aluminum heads with roller rockers. This is an added expense I really don't want or hopefully need.

While the intake is off... I'm going to "test fit" one of my little B&M superchargers to see if it will work with existing factory serpentine belt system. If so... I may go with the boost. I don't really need that much more power... and I've really learned to like reliability and not breaking things. But then again... I've had a "boost gauge" mounted on the dash for years.. waiting for something to hook up to. lol

I'm going to be working with Felpro 1094 .015 head gaskets this time, in hopes of taking advantage of cylinder head "quench" and possibly a little more compression... tomorrow I will take some "piston to deck" measurements. If you're not familiar with "quench"... do a little research on it. It's quite interesting! But I'm also taking a chance with this style gasket... so we'll see.

The performance cam and bottom end are fantastic... I have no intention of making any changes there. It already has all new gaskets, pump, and seals as well.

Last night I drove it... today I pulled it. The pull was easy... a one man, one day job... clean and simple... completed in an afternoon! Tomorrow I'll pull the heads off the block... and have them machined during the week, and hopefully will be putting the motor back together and in next weekend. This job should go MUCH faster (2 weeks) rather than it did previously (1 year)... unless something changes. Possibly 3 weeks at the max if I have to order any more stuff.

I couldn't have asked for better working weather today... a front came though and gave us low humidity and 70's. Perfect engine pulling weather!

I'll be updating on the progress. :D
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1 day ... 1 guy ... impressive .. keep up the thread ...
Cool MM, I can relate to your reliability statement.
I just replaced the 'new" radiator in my '93 because of a pinhole. I could have fixed it cheap but I bought it cheap off fleabay. While the setup worked it was always a PITA, hard to remove and work around, it just didn't give me the warm fuzzies...

While you have it out have you considered header wrap? I should think your under hood temps must be sky high in the summer.
I've never, or even thought about, wrapping the headers. The engine runs fairly cool at 180 and seems to breathe ok (it's pretty open and uncluttered) ... but I'm sure there is still some heat under there. My insulation works extremely well.. there's no heat transferred inside.

The finish on the Hedmans is horrible, and I didn't realize they needed to be stripped before they were painted. It all burned off. The wrap would not only be functional... but it would "look" better too. You can't see them so I don't care much how they look. I may consider it... but I've never really felt a need for it.

Today I'll clean up some things, and disassemble the intake and heads. I also have to dig up the blower, pulleys, belt, and it's manifold and see if they'll fit. It's such a nice day I'm also planning on taking the wife and motorcycle out for a lunch ride.
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Back cut the valves when you get the valve job done. Sounds like a game plan, you know you wanna roots this beauty.
Very righteous. More pics man! Sure made it look easy. Very impressive so far. I love these threads.
Alternate to wrap may be a high temp coating, we have a place in town that does it.

Or go w/ the cheap stainless like I did, on amazon 92-95 GMC Chevy Truck SUV 5.0L 5.7L 305-350 Stainless Steel Exhaust Header 89 90 91 92 93 94 , sold by AutoGrimmig. I did a lot to them before I used them though, welded the ports smaller and then flattened the flange so they mated up nice with the heads. I'm sure they would have leaked bad had I not done the work.
This post and the fourth one down explain what I did.
viewtopic.php?f=127&t=17922&start=60#p492473

There are a bunch of good reviews and I like them now but wouldn't install them as is.
Yeah, it's like Chevymaher and his engine pulls and work ...

"... had a sandwich in my hand, so I decided to re-port the heads" and the always popular: "dropped the tranny and swapped TCs while waiting on the wife".
Amazing you were able to pull it with the front jacked up and the bumper still on. Gotta love the Gen I for this.

Great read here!

Mike
Wow... that's some amazing work you did on those headers Woodbutcher... they look GREAT!
It's amazing how they design headers to be shaped completely DIFFERENT than the heads they mount too.

I discovered a pretty nasty leak... despite having used high-temp Permatex on them. This was also the first time I ever used solid copper gaskets. The headers call for "round" port gaskets.

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Due to budget reasons (plus the fact you can't really see them) .. I think I'm just going to live with nasty looking headers... but I like the idea of having them machined flat. Looks like I'm going back to rectangular port paper gaskets too. Not happy with the Hedmans (for several reasons) ... but they DO fit the van perfectly!
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sixsix said:
Yeah, it's like Chevymaher and his engine pulls and work ...

"... had a sandwich in my hand, so I decided to re-port the heads" and the always popular: "dropped the tranny and swapped TCs while waiting on the wife"...
LOL!

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Mmusicman said:
Wow... that's some amazing work you did on those headers Woodbutcher... they look GREAT!
It's amazing how they design headers to be shaped completely DIFFERENT than the heads they mount too.

I discovered a pretty nasty leak... despite having used high-temp Permatex on them. This was also the first time I ever used solid copper gaskets. The headers call for "round" port gaskets.



Due to budget reasons (plus the fact you can't really see them) .. I think I'm just going to live with nasty looking headers... but I like the idea of having them machined flat. Looks like I'm going back to rectangular port paper gaskets too. Not happy with the Hedmans (for several reasons) ... but they DO fit the van perfectly!
Man use Remflex gaskets before you throw in paper gaskets! PN 2004 Round port PN 2005 Square port. Under $30 on Summit

http://catalog.remflex.com/category_s/75.htm

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Here's a photo recap of the pull so far:
(I know how much we love photos)

Here's the motor moments before the pull:
(I had just driven it the day before and moments earlier)
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Temporarily jack the rear of van up high to empty water from the engine..
before you start job and after you have "properly" drained the coolant from the radiator.
At this point (after a flush) ... I'm only draining water. Let dry.. begin job.
(makes for no mess later while lifting)
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My work area just outside garage (ready to start job):
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Federal siren speaker, horns, and strobe lights hiding behind the removed phantom grill.
A 13mm ratchet and socket will pretty much remove the rest of the front end:
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Easy access after removal of grill & support, radiator and A/C condenser:
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Removed accy brackets, alternator, compressor, PS, hoses:
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View from inside garage looking out:
(nothing more than a few basic hand tools)
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Jack front of van up nice and high for good angle and easy clearance.
While under van... un-attach exhaust, torque converter, trans bolts, motor mount bolts.
Don't forget to plug trans where dipstick tube was. Trans lines stay in place.. push to side up front.
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Cherry picker arm needs to be very close to manifold.. with clearance above to lift up:
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Silly question, are those L31 accessory brackets? If not what did they come from?
What do you have holding the front of the tranny up? I need to do my engine pull soon and will probably go thru the front instead of the body lift this time.

-Andrew
Mr_Roboto said:
Silly question, are those L31 accessory brackets? If not what did they come from?
The accessory brackets are from the stock 92 V6 Astro.

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Lift... move forward... lift more... move out more.. keep repeating... (step it out)
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You can pull engine with headers attached..
(just remove 2 bolts on master brake cylinder and move it out of the way as seen here):
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Put a cover over the bumper so you don't scratch it up when you're wiggling the engine out.
Simple.. clean.. easy.. one afternoon, one man job:
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The cat stopped by to see what was going on:
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Attach engine stand (while hanging):
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Done!
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Drive train, exhaust, hood, grill, bumper... all still in place.
Push van back into garage!
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icebrrg3rd said:
What do you have holding the front of the tranny up? I need to do my engine pull soon and will probably go thru the front instead of the body lift this time.

-Andrew
How I've done mine in the past is just have a ratchet strap that is run between the crossmembers of the subframe.
icebrrg3rd said:
What do you have holding the front of the tranny up? I need to do my engine pull soon and will probably go thru the front instead of the body lift this time.

-Andrew
Last time I did the pull I had made simple hooks out of wire coat hanger. I couldn't find them this time... so I used a pair of ratcheting tie-down straps. They are hooked from the eyelets in the trans, over the opening, and hooked to the seat bases in the van. Obviously, you do this first and get them tight before the pull. With wire hooks, you simply bend and twist them in place.

Sounds like Mr Roboto found an even easier way to use the straps! :)

With the adjustable JTR V8 mounts... you lower the engine in place... then push it back against the trans... then tighten the bolts. Reverse obviously for pulling, allowing the trans to hang in the perfect location.
DAY 2:

Roll engine back outside... scrape and clean ports:
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Bath time! (just needed mild wash block only)
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(Went and rode the motorcycle to lunch and car show for a few hours)

In shop area now.
Remove intake manifold, valve covers, rockers, push-rods, and head bolts:
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Remove heads, and do inspections:
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Old heads are off to machine shop:
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I didn't find any visual evidence of leaking... and compression test looked "ok" too.
Looks like I'm running pretty lean and clean for the year and half it's been in the van.
Spark plugs were very clean.
Heads were last installed about 20 years ago... but mostly sat and didn't see a lot of use since then.
I can't remember what they came from.

Heads will get a basic valve job, guides and seals, and re-surfacing.

The plan is to bolt it all together exactly the way it came out. :)
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Nicely Planned,
Well laid out,
Concisely described,
And well recorded,
We just fill in the Blanks.

Thanks for making it look easy - even more so now ...
Since I tried that Lame April Fools Engine Swap.
While at the same time wishing it were "For Real".

At least somebody's 92' is having a go.

Mmusicman said:
... Heads were last installed about 20 years ago... but mostly sat and didn't see a lot of use since then
What did you mean here?

When you originally looked for your V8 - did you try to keep it in the years that coincided with "Astro Gen I Years" / close to your Van Year / 92' / ECM compat.? If I ever read your orig. posts - I have forgotten, sorry if you have to repeat or just tell me where to go - LOL.

Mike
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Good write up!

Mmusicman said:
Wow... that's some amazing work you did on those headers Woodbutcher... they look GREAT!
It's amazing how they design headers to be shaped completely DIFFERENT than the heads they mount too.

I discovered a pretty nasty leak... despite having used high-temp Permatex on them. This was also the first time I ever used solid copper gaskets. The headers call for "round" port gaskets.
Thanks, it was a lot of work.

Just check the mating surfaces and pay attention to the alignment when you put them on. I was told not to bother with any sealants at all, if the ain't right to start, glue wont help. The oval gasket looks like you'll have more gasket by the bolts but if the header doesn't cover the gasket inside it wont help. You may want to do the same as I did and add metal to the flange of the header and file it flat.
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