[paintdrying]

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405796,00.asp

When you see something like this in a tec magazine you know they are way way ahead of what they are talking about. They are talking about stuff they had 40 years ago like it is cutting edge just developed.

This is a big marketing ploy. However they must also prep us for the future, most people our just not ready for what is out there. Think about concentrated laundry detergent. Those big bottle of tide could have been a thing of the past ten years ago. Still today I do not feel people are ready for concentrated laundry detergent, they will still use way to much and have bad results.

something as simple as soap, and people want high tec gadgets. HA!

 

[tedanderson]

One thing to know about technology is that something new does not necessarily replace what's older. It's just that newer technology finds its niche.

For instance, many people thought that voice commands would replace the keyboard and the mouse. But then we realized that you can't say, "FILE, OPEN, D-DRIVE..." in the middle of a board meeting.

Many people thought that the internet would replace every brick and mortar retail store.. until people realized that pictures can be deceptive and misleading.

Many people thought cordless phones and cell phones would replace what Ma-Bell gave us.. but how many times do people say, "Huh? I can't hear you! Call me on a land line!"

And so even with this particular device that we are discussing, it's is indeed cool, however, as already said, your arm will get tired.. let alone the distractions that it would cause. e.g. "...no, I'm not waving to you. I'm checking my email...."

 

[paintdrying]

All day long i have a bad connection on one end or the other, these cell phones are killing me. Bring back the landline

 

[Jasen]

It was a little sad last night at the MIL's B day dinner watching my 20 yo niece asking for help to turn the stove down because the pot of corn on the cob was over boiling. Now the cook top is probably as old as her, it has four burners, one in each corner with four mechanical tactile knobs in the middle of the top also arranged in a square. Three knobs are point in the same position and one is out of alignment of the others. I've never really paid attention the the stove at her parents house, maybe it's touch screen :shrug:

All this technology is great, but I'm not sure it will ever get to Star Trek status, the lights will probably go out before then and we will be back to oil lamps and farming our own food (I'll stop here before I go off in the direction of non renewable resources). So wheres that leave my niece and so many many others who I see who struggle with such simple things as an old stove, changing a tire, preparing a meal from scratch. The dependability on tech and the waning inability to think is kinda scary.

by tedanderson » Today, 7:08am

One thing to know about technology is that something new does not necessarily replace what's older. It's just that newer technology finds its niche.

And a lot of what is touted as new or new tech is not. I've seen many things that were around decades ago with some new spit and polish, or a different interface, but there just revamped old ideas.

 

[Phantom]

For instance, many people thought that voice commands would replace the keyboard and the mouse. But then we realized that you can't say, "FILE, OPEN, D-DRIVE..." in the middle of a board meeting.

It is very difficult for a software program to know the multiple ways that people use words in context ,

Many people thought that the internet would replace every brick and mortar retail store.. until people realized that pictures can be deceptive and misleading.

if you do true studies you will find the amount of privately owned shops that have gone out of business is very very high ;because they did not open a website to sell their product , shops that have can survive much better ,,,

Many people thought cordless phones and cell phones would replace what Ma-Bell gave us.. but how many times do people say, "Huh? I can't hear you! Call me on a land line!"

people who said that were not smart at all ,, a giant phone company not selling mobile phones? Not smart at all

Yet tens of thousands of people have dropped their land line service because they cannot take it with them ...look at the soaring popularity of portable phones ,,and with the popularity comes more advancement ,, now we can have technology that people can download movies and such at very fast download speeds , as their phone is not only a phone but a data center mobile computer ,, your land line phone is just merely a phone that you cannot take it with you on the go and is not a computer

land lines will be available for years to come ,,

And so even with this particular device that we are discussing, it's is indeed cool, however, as already said, your arm will get tired.. let alone the distractions that it would cause. e.g. "...no, I'm not waving to you. I'm checking my email...."

people for decades have developed things like carpal tunnel and other such injuries from using a mouse and keyboard in the traditional sense ,,,,
when PROPERLY researched it is easy to see that the use of the muscle is better than it being stationary ,,,

It is truly hilarious to see people say that your hand will get tired .......that simply shows that they have NOT really learned anything at all about the product .....it is a more advanced use of a touchpad mouse but NOT limiting you to a small tiny square on the laptop ,,,
it is NOT needed to wave your hand around , that was merely an OPTION , something that is POSSIBLE with the device ,,that is not possible without the device
Making judgments based on a lack of willingness to learn and investigate what the the capabilities are available will result in revealing the unwillingness to learn what is possible

far too often people are resistant to change because it means that they now have to learn something new ,,,as medical science has proven ,,, people who are willing to try new things and continue to learn have healthier lives ,,,, ,, this was merely a revealing of what is coming

they laughed at Columbus when he set sail to prove that the earth is NOT flat ...
today's tech about MOBILITY ,, as in smart phones,,, mobile phone technology ,, touch screen technology on a small device like a smart phone ,,, they are making it easier to use devices without the need to actually touch the devices ,, touchscreen is good as it is easier to use than a keyboard and mouse but requires actually touching the screen ,,, now the same advantages can be had without having to physically touch the screen,,, as with Gaming you can actually become more interactive ,,

Notice home the Home theater systems have caused a decrease in movie theater attendance ... notice how the Big Screen TV has dominated the television market ,, with LED Big screen tv you can connect them to a computer , then with this device you can have multiple people interact with the computer all at the same moment without a mouse or keyboard , no need to wait until someone passes you the mouse and keyboard as multiple people can interact with the same computer at the very same moment , incredible that some people don't understand how this simple technology can make big advancements in how things are done

being INTERACTIVE is what it is all about .. if you were in a real sword fight you would have a sword in hand ,,SWINGING it around ,,you can now simulate real life movement in a game , and get deeply in to the real action instead if just pushing a button ,, the uses of this technology surpasses a first glance judging by those who do not truly understand the real capabilities

 

[chevymaher]

Okay, okay we got it. If it is new tech, abandon all you know and love, and embrace it.

Like Lemmings into the sea.

Don't even question it, or look into it, or decide if it is a good idea.

Just unquestioningly run to the water because the leader thought it was the thing to do.

I am ready for my brain implant chip so I know what to think.

NOT.

I will see them, and decide after others buy them, before I decide I want one.

At one point in time the world being flat was the new tech, and it was wrong. Totally wrong.

There is nothing wrong with questioning something. And deciding after having a good knowledge of what is going on.

Wise decisions are made that way.

Foolish decisions are made by someone else's word, without checking into it.

Really free thought and making decisions on what you know is not evil.

If it is a good product it will speak for itself. Time will tell.

Getting bent out of shape helps no one.

 

[paintdrying]

ever been to Kansas, the world really is flat I tell you.

 

[chevymaher]

ever been to Kansas, the world really is flat I tell you.

The birth place of said tech Reckon. LOL :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[tedanderson]

It's funny how tech has become so prominent amongst some people that they think that tech is all they need until they figure out that their "pocket pal" can't solve all of their problems.. And I love reiterating how wrong they were.

Like when I get a phone call from a friend or family member in need of my roadside assistance. I love saying, "you mean to tell me that with all of those gadgets and gizmos that all of you have, nobody in the car knows what to do about a flat tire? I mean didn't anyone even bother to GOOGLE it?"

 

[paintdrying]

Hey, I have wondered how the heck to do something, like baking a cake. Few videos later and I am an expext. Their is just so much junk that is not right. Tec has its place. I try to be knowledgable about everything that I may encounter in one day.

 

[Phantom]

Okay, okay we got it. If it is new tech, abandon all you know and love, and embrace it.

Don't even question it, or look into it, or decide if it is a good idea.

Just unquestioningly run to the water because the leader thought it was the thing to do.

I am ready for my brain implant chip so I know what to think.

At one point in time the world being flat was the new tech, and it was wrong. Totally wrong.

Getting bent out of shape helps no one.

I am not bent , but with all the foolish negative comments ,,seems like you may be
You need to know what tech really is ,,,
in the manner in which you describe it any idea that is thought of , including the belief in God would be thought of as tech ,,, that is totally wrong

Tech is :Technology is the making, modification, usage, and knowledge of tools, machines, techniques, crafts, systems, methods of organization, in order to solve a problem, improve a preexisting solution to a problem, achieve a goal or perform a specific function.

There is nothing wrong with questioning something

True ,, questions are asked ,, questions are not comments , questions are for those who want to learn about something so they can learn ,,, there have been no questions just condescending comments that are nothing more than judgments of a product and technology that no one here has even used but yet choose to make berating comments based on NO experience with this . nothing even close ,,

And I love reiterating how wrong they were.

I mean didn't anyone even bother to GOOGLE it?"

Did you not know that in today's world MOST companies require you to fill out an employment application ONLINE ....if you cannot use a computer you cannot apply , ever looked at how many businesses are on facebook ....technology is becoming more dominant every year ,, it will continue to do so ,, time to get used to it

Without technology you would not have cars to start with , no radio no television , ya'all be the kind that finds staring at a radio entertaining while someone tells you about how the tech geeks are talking about how they have built a box that you can see moving pictures in it that are broadcast over air waves ,, ha ha chuckle ,, no one would ever be able to make something like that common place in peoples homes it just a gimmick ... air waves hahahaha blowing through the trees hahaha ,, that is the attitude displayed here
Without technology there would be no microwave ,, not ovens or wireless transmitters , no such thing as high performance cams , headers or off road tires , LED lighting 10's of thousands of devices that are in billions of homes .

Without advanced technology there would be no google to look up ,, no internet ,,, no forums , if it wasn't for technology you have to trust in any TECHnician who performed any work because you would have to find a library that had sufficient reference material to read ,
All this negativity simply because you are not able to envision a better way of doing things ... there is no down side to this technology ...just because YOU may not want it ,, ,means nothing more than that
I was watching a show called Shark Tank where billionaires sit as a panel of investors and listen to the sales pitch of people trying to start or grow their business and this guy comes on the show and says his product is "I want to draw you a cat" and for 10 bucks he draws a sketch in about 10 seconds ... I thought it was a sure miss as a sale ... but an investor put up the money and now the guys business is growing strong and fast
http://iwanttodrawacatforyou.com/
bet you wish you had the ability to think of something that would sell

 

[Burphel]

I like the look of it and pre-ordered one. I've never been a traditional mouse fan, and have been using Kensington ($$$) trackballs for years. I've seen various VR gloves, 3d pucks and assorted similar interfaces before, but I'm impressed looking at the videos with how quick and precise it is. And it's the first time I've seen something like this coming in below $100.

I'm not sure if it'll replace my mouse, but it sure looks like it might be an interesting way to interact with games, even if I only use it in place of a mouse in a mouse/keyboard type arrangement.

Also, I'm reasonably sure I'll be binding "the finger" to CMD-Q.

 

[paintdrying]

Be careful kid, you'll shot your eye out.

 

[chevymaher]

And I agree with most of what you have said. My issues are when they are designed in a way to prevent tampering. When modifications are not cost effective. Or maintenance becomes outlandishly expensive. Or incredibly hard because of said tech. I got skills to fix it. But if it harder than old tech, with minimum benefits, it garbage to me.

The tech should make my life easier not harder. Or cost me an arm and a leg.

I have a free mind and don't like to be told what to do. And live where governmental controls and mind games are minimized. So I have the freedom to do what I want. And government black boxes designed in such a way to prevent me from meeting my goals are not welcome. I use them till they fail, gut them and use what is user friendly.

Sure some of your examples such as the TV. Yes I love that tech. And I love the new tech. Someone like you hade a 5000 dollar TV. A 52 inch crt. Their wife demanded a flat screen HD TV because the neibor lady laughed at their TV. They got one. Well I got a free year old TV out of the deal. And you know the guy I got it from was sharp. He said don't say it. I will be putting 1500 in repairs on this every few years the whole time I own it. And you will watch this thing 35 years and never spend a dime.

He designed Electronics. And was admitting that new tech had its drawbacks. Expensive. He smiled and said enjoy it. Old tech or not I love it.

There are always 2 sides to every coin. I like what works the best. Cheapest and last longest. Even if I must endure taunts.

 

[Phantom]

And I agree with most of what you have said. My issues are when they are designed in a way to prevent tampering. When modifications are not cost effective. Or maintenance becomes outlandishly expensive. Or incredibly hard because of said tech. I got skills to fix it. But if it harder than old tech, with minimum benefits, it garbage to me.

The tech should make my life easier not harder. Or cost me an arm and a leg.

I have a free mind and don't like to be told what to do. And live where governmental controls and mind games are minimized. So I have the freedom to do what I want. And government black boxes designed in such a way to prevent me from meeting my goals are not welcome. I use them till they fail, gut them and use what is user friendly.

I can agree ,, but there are things to understand that go along with that
there are citizen action groups that demand that government do something about pollution so , then the government demands auto makers to design a system that will burn fuel more efficiently producing less pollution ,,, but then the consumer still does not want to take care of their car , so it comes back to the owner to do preventive care to help the system last longer ,, but if a person does not care ,,....

For the most part the negativity being espoused here is not about technology in the sense of someone designing a product that is useful and innovative but rather it is what is called
Planned Obsolescence ,,,it is taking technology and intent fully abuse it for profit making ,,,
http://owni.eu/2011/05/09/planned-obsol ... nsumption/

company's like Apple who do not want their systems upgradable by the consumer . but instead only upgradable by Apple if the consumer wants to keep the warranty intact ,
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... -obsolesce

or the companies that require you to buy their own propitiatory brand of ink to work in their products to force you to pay them profit ....
There are crooked auto repair techs that want more of a customers money so they add to the bill ,,known as padding the bill with things that are not needed in order to make the bill more costly.

People in America became more focused on low level entry pricing of a product without knowing the quality of a product ,, so then you have a company that says they will warranty their product for 5 years , but their cost is considerably higher than the competition who only has a 1 year warranty , so the consumer thinks they should buy the cheaper price product and buy more often than to buy the Made in USA quality product , then the manufacturer has to become more competitive so they either start using lower quality materials , and or move their company overseas where labor costs are much much lower ,,

but that is what happens when people only want to spend just enough to get by on,,..., they get a product that used to last 3 times as long. But now for a cheaper price they have to by more often ,, then get upset that the product does not last as long ,

Consider you being a company that makes a product and you warranty it free replacement for several years ,, then you start getting hundreds of units in return on warranty that did not need repair but was sent in by consumer who did not understand the product , did not have the knowledge to work on it and is responsible for damaging the unit simply cause they did not know how to operate it ,,,, are you willing to incur the cost of replacement of each unit because some consumer opened it up the screwed it up ? No you will not want to do that so you will want to take some measure that says that if you open it up then you VOID the warranty because the consumer did not posses the skill needed , the OBD systems on cars is very good ,, it is designed to be helpful to the Trained & educated technician to diagnose the problem simpler and faster ,, but the tech has to be trained on how the system is designed and how to use it effectively ,,

most governments now require it and for it to be in good working order ,, if it is gutted and replaced with old technology it will be the responsibility of the new owner to replace the old with the new in order for it to be legal ..which will cost more than the car is worth , so if you buy a car that has been changed like that you have thrown away your money .....just something that you have to accept , some people live in a state where emission checking is not done , but if they decide to move to a state where it is done they will nee to sell that car before they move or spend money to get it repaired

There are always 2 sides to every coin. I like what works the best. Cheapest and last longest. Even if I must endure taunts.

Yes there are 2 sides

Consider the technology that is used to make cigarettes , a product that has NO value at all , nothing good about them , and even though the public has been shown that cig makers chemically treat tobacco to cause . induce , create cravings to smoke and know full well that they cause physical damage to the body of smoker ,, the smoker still will spend several $1000's of dollars every year of their life for a product that destroys their health , but yet scowl at the idea of spending a mere $70 for a product that has useful purposes

all I have done is try to bring attention to a technology that is growing very fast and will in short time will be so popular that using a conventional mouse and keyboard will not be needed
Microsoft has used something similar , but not nearly as fast or as accurate , but now because several other companies can see the great potential for a product like this and how they can implement it in just about every type situation ,, when the rest of the population sees it , experiences and sees it has great usefulness then the market will become saturated by a product that brings complete interaction with computers , Microsoft will buy out this company if the company will be open to that idea , as buying out companies to own the product is what MS does ,, they have bought many software companies and rename the product to Microsoft ,, they bought Skpe ,, and are now trying to buy Yammer business social media , recognized as the Facebook of the business world
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/tec ... rkplace-1b

here is a video of yet another company that makes a product much like the Leap ,, to show that there are more companies that want a piece of the Interactive PC world that is coming very soon , you will likely see more brand names of a product like this coming in the near future and it will become the same price as your typical mouse .
This one is called G-speak

It may not be as fast as the Leap but surely the company will continue to work on it until it gets all the oohs & ahhs they hope for ,, the point is that this type of technology is what is coning very very soon and will be perfected

This technology will become mainstream in a variety of products

Here is even something more advanced that they expect to reach the market in about 2-3 years ,, it use your eyes to control what you do on a computer , interactivity using your eyes
http://techocular.wordpress.com/2011/03 ... with-eyes/

 

[chevymaher]

Planned Obsolescence is one thing I am crying about. :crying: We are on the same page there.

As far as any vehicle I own. I do gut them. And they last forever. Same gas mileage more power. Cheaper maintenance. But I lived in calif. I would never live somewhere with those rules again. And as you see by my van. It is end of the line for a vehicle when I own it. I would never sell it. After what you have seen, by what I have done to keep her going. If I can't fix it then it been run over by a bulldozer. Then I will strip the custom parts I have made which make it better than average. And put them on the next vehicle.

I do understand the environmental argument. But I choose not to live there, or around people who think that way.If they are truly concerned about the environment stop driving use mass transit. All they are doing is making sure only the rich can have nice things. Pay the tariff for the sports car. Emissions bypassed and they sing a good song. Meanwhile killing the environment in their Lamborghini. I believe it is called a luxury car tax.

The people talking the propaganda and making the laws, left loopholes so they, With enough money, can do it anyway. And the mass population doesn't question it, just swallows it hook line and sinker. I may not be rich but I will have my toys to.

Now onto happier things. I am a techno junkie. I get everything after its planned obsolescence has lapsed. And it is cheap. Why pay 600-1000 bucks for something when you can wait for the latest model to come out and get the obsolete version for 30-50 bucks. Plus you get to see what will last and what is junk that way. If it holds up and works I will get one. If it had problems expensive to fix, I will pass on it.

:angry-soapbox:

 

[Phantom]

I can understand and relate to matters that you speak of that happen, but that is the way things are , we can cry about all things that we don't like but ...it does no good it won't change anything
Not sure what you refer to when you say you gut things as you have stated your van still has the OBD1 system still intact and working
But you have to realize that most every vehicle made for the last 17 years will require the computer system in order to run ,,, as the transmission and electronics throughout the car are all dependent on the computer system ,, to gut it you have to replace the items ,, then you have the cost with the replaced items and the massive amount of time invested to try to make it work cause you have effectively created a Frankenstein car where the wiring has been altered and all else , the cost is simply too expensive and not an effective way to do that when it is much and less costly to just repair the system as it is designed .For those people who are very strict about not having new technology in their own cars they can buy $400 cars for the rest of their life to avoid such ..but Most people want to own and drive a newer car and just accept the fact that it has a computer system

But anywho that stuff has nothing to do with a new type of device/technology that permits total interaction with a computer and the internet , gaming and business systems , give seamless presentations in board meetings and presentations to clients without the need to physically touch the computer .

The tech should make my life easier not harder. Or cost me an arm and a leg.

It DOES makes life easier , that is the whole intent and purpose of it's existence and at a mere 70 dollars it is not at all expensive ,,,
Which again it is so strange that there has been so much negative talk about something really cool that has no moving parts ,,, an open mind will see the postive things .........not just merely focus on the negative ESPECIALLY when there is no negative things about it ....if there are any they are not yet known,,,,,,,,,,,,,but there is such Pessimism about this with NO facts to support any of the Pessimism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... pi6aTv5o68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featu ... ERrs-Lf3CQ

http://techocular.wordpress.com/2011/03 ... with-eyes/

 

[paintdrying]

Not one bit do I mind a throw away world. I do not like poorly made items they are not very reliable to use. Power tools, computers, ect. Freely do I say these selfish statements.
One of the nicest things about traveling around Asia is that I am not constantly having to screw with things to get them to work. Nothing mechanical, nothing electrical. Nothing, i just travel around blissfully unaware of all the working of the world.
Here in the USA it is a constant struggle with everything. From my coffe grinder, to the windows in my van, to trying to find a pen that still writes.
replace everything with new AND LET A WHOLE UNDERWORLD of broken items flourish. Whatever I have, if it is new and it breaks, send to the masses of poor people that make a good living fixing people unfixable junk.
Part of the problem with the leap is they have a man that is far to intelligent marketing it. They need a real world application that everyone can relate to. How can I use the leap to check my email. i will say that thing is way cool and I am considering ordering one.
If i was to market the leap, I would have some lazy looking middle aged, slightly bald guy sitting in his underwear on the couch surfing the internet, barely moving his hand. Or not even moving at all. Instead they have some tecno looking geek making wiggly lines on some bar graph. No wonder some people think it is worthless .
i had to laugh when they showed people calibrating eye movements to use their computer. You will be using your mind to use your computer much sooner than you think.

 

[Jasen]

You will be using your mind to use your computer much sooner than you think.

That's what I'm waiting for, just put on the head gear with the eye trackers and have the software convert my thoughts to the screen.

 

[Phantom]

You will be using your mind to use your computer much sooner than you think.

That's what I'm waiting for, just put on the head gear with the eye trackers and have the software convert my thoughts to the screen.

It does exist right now ,, I just watched a tech show last week where they are using some new device , it is in prototype stage now , they used it on a hospital patient who is not able to speak , cannot move her body at all , she has to have people move her from the bed to the wheel chair where she has head gear similar to a headset that a telephone operator wears and she can communicate through the computer using only her eyes and mind , she could navigate the computer , the system is designed for people who are in her condition to allow them to communicate with people so they are not just observers of their world but can also participate in conversation and learn to navigate the web ,, for the average consumer it will be several years yet before anything is available for purchase