[chevymaher]

Hey phantom. You said it would be the Frankenstein car. But you don't say those things about anyone switching to a LS1 V-8. Or the extreme lifts switching to 4WD.
My question to you is this. Do you really think a rare car collector is loosing sleep because I am going to do this? Or I am hurting the value of my totaled 3X, 250 thousand mile Safari? Is my chevelle a Frankenstein car to? I mean it going from small block to big block. Changing the wiring for an electric fuel pump and electric fan? You kill me with this stuff sometimes.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And I drifted so far off topic I wasn't even talking about the mouse at all anymore.

 

[paintdrying]

Yes Chevy, you are part of the underworld that fixes that which is not to be fixed. In otherwords a box full of broken stuff you will never really have the time to get to.
But the real problem lies in the fact that you can work on our cars outside of the dealership, with simple parts that you salvage from non-working cars. Equally bad- with simple tools that were bought very cheaply. You have a rare mental disorder called hillbillies us fixit disorder.
You need either powerful mind altering drugs, or just to take the chip.

 

[Phantom]

Hey phantom. You said it would be the Frankenstein car. But you don't say those things about anyone switching to a LS1 V-8. Or the extreme lifts switching to 4WD.
My question to you is this. Do you really think a rare car collector is loosing sleep because I am going to do this? Or I am hurting the value of my totaled 3X, 250 thousand mile Safari? Is my chevelle a Frankenstein car to? I mean it going from small block to big block. Changing the wiring for an electric fuel pump and electric fan? You kill me with this stuff sometimes.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And I drifted so far off topic I wasn't even talking about the mouse at all anymore.

Yes you have

I was referring to the many multiple times that you have stated through the course of a year that you do not like the OBD computer system of cars today and that you would rather gut them and install an old style HEI distributor ,,,and for Most of the cars made during the last 17 years it would be far more costly to do that than to just simply properly diagnose a car and replace the parts that are faulty ,,

Because to try to replace the OBD system with an HEI setup would require so many parts that it would far exceed the cost of a normal repair with original parts .

Most everyone who swaps in a V8 engine is still retaining the OBD system and will ask which computer they need or if they need more sensors ,, knowing that they will need the OBD setup , It is a very rare occasion that someone actually goes back to '70's technology on a daily driven car ,, changing the suspension and all that has nothing to do with the OBD computer system and it is the computer system you always want to gut from a car ..

If you are to be really honest ,, MANY times in many threads you have stated that computers in cars is something you don't like and want to gut the car of the OBD system and go back tio HEI distributor of the 70's ,, many times you have stated that you do not want a computer in the cars ....so many times in fact that when you speak of gutting a car it refers to removing the computer system that you do not like ...what you do with your cars is not a concern for any collector .

As stated before if you have a car with an electronically controlled computer operated Transmission ,, to go back to the non computer controlled transmission will cost FAR FAR more than just replacing the failed sensor ,, or the BCM on most cars that have to have the computer system to properly operate at least 50% of vehicle electronics that are VIN # dependent ,, you seem to not know or forget that there is far far more involved than a fuel pump wiring ,,, :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yea if you want to stay with the $400 car for the rest of your life there are many cars that are old enough to not have a computer ,, but MOST people want to drive something newer than that ..
There is a big difference in a upgraded engine or simple mod , than gutting a car of its computer system and patching it together with outdated parts that are from an era that does not use a computer

 

[chevymaher]

If I had a LS1 with programmable computer in a new car I would be happy with it. There are high perfomance parts out the ying yang for that. V-6 with a OBD1 not so much or at all for that matter. Boat parts where it at.

I need a transmission. mine is worn out. It the same price to buy manual or computer operated. Or cheaper to rebuild the same for big horses. Once that is done I free from the computer. Putting it in is not that tough. A vacuum line and a cable.

I watched the live data from my laptop on what the computer in the van is doing. Its timing curve and fuel curves are horrible in stock form. To fix it I have to upgrade the computer. For less money I can get a high performance high rise dual plane for a boat and a holley. There are no decent high performance intakes for the fuel injection on the V-6.

Wiring again how tough is it the 3 wires I need are where I need them.
A hot a ground and the tach feed to control the converter lock up.

I am erroneously blaming all computers for the garbage my year has. But it is annoying to say the least. It runs alot better with this motor but I know it will run even better once it sorted out. I just biding my time till this trans finishes its term in office. I am a cheap skate want to get my moneys worth out of it.

 

[tedanderson]

Without technology there would be no microwave ,, not ovens or wireless transmitters , no such thing as high performance cams , headers or off road tires , LED lighting 10's of thousands of devices that are in billions of homes .

But what many people fail to realize is that modern and trendy technologies ENHANCE the traditional ways of doing things. It never replaces it.

Modern technology could not have built a high performance cam if someone didn't first make a cam using a metal lathe in their workshop.. or microwave ovens if someone didn't first want to cook food in a regular oven. Heck, we wouldn't even have the need for wireless transmitters if someone didn't first think that they wanted to communicate with someone who was not directly in front of them.

But the point that I am making is that people are mistakenly disregarding the precursors to what is being used today.. as to say what we have today is "good" and what we had yesterday was "bad".

Don't get me wrong.. I LOVE being able to turn the key start my car without having to adjust points, timing, the choke, etc. but I wouldn't exchange my knowledge of how to start a 74 Monté Carlo for a 2012 BMW with an "ON/OFF" switch and be completely oblivious.

 

[Phantom]

But what many people fail to realize is that modern and trendy technologies ENHANCE the traditional ways of doing things. It never replaces it.

Modern technology could not have built a high performance cam if someone didn't first make a cam using a metal lathe in their workshop.. or microwave ovens if someone didn't first want to cook food in a regular oven. Heck, we wouldn't even have the need for wireless transmitters if someone didn't first think that they wanted to communicate with someone who was not directly in front of them.

But the point that I am making is that people are mistakenly disregarding the precursors to what is being used today.. as to say what we have today is "good" and what we had yesterday was "bad".

I was never one to say that what we had in the past was bad ,,, but as time goes by we learn how to make things better and a lot of new technologies get created which make life better .

I can relate to what I think you are trying to say ,, just not wholly agreeing with the examples that you use .. when microwave radio frequency technology was being developed they were not thinking about how to cook anything ,,,,,,it was simply a discovery that in a certain scenario they can cause microwaves to create heat , because of the short intense wavelength ,, utilizing this feature is just a byproduct of testing R&D ,,, many things are discoverd by accident such as teflon coating as a non stick cooking application , they had no intention on designing a non stick cookware , but through testing a substance being developed for another purpose it was unexpectedly discovered that it could be applied to cookware to make it a non stick cookware ,, microwave cooking is entirely different technology than a convetional oven ,, trying placing a piece of braed on a plate in the microwave and turn it on , then do the same in a conventional oven ,,, microwave will not do the bread good like a conventional oven , as it cooks like vibration ,, using radio wavelenghts the energy field is oscillating, the molecules rotate continuously . Rotating molecules push, pull, and collide with other molecules through electrical force distributing the energy to adjacent molecules and atoms in the material. wheras a coventional oven is has a solid element that conducts electrical power to heat up the oven it heats in a very different way ,,from the outside toward the inside and radio waves heat from the inside out ,, which is why an egg will explode in a micrwave
Just because some areas of life have something in common that does not mean it is a precuror that could be viable in that type of statemnet ,, your examples tend to over-generalize things to the extreme .... it be like saying that riding a horse is a precursor technology to rocket science and building the space shuttle or battleships and airplanes because they all have in common transporting people and goods from one place to another .....

 

[tedanderson]

Yeah.. but you know.. people still ride horses as a preference.

 

[Phantom]

Yeah.. but you know.. people still ride horses as a preference.

Now if " technology" of riding a horse could be the precursor to flying into the outer limits to the moon and Mars and beyond could actually exist ,, it would save a whole lot on fuel costs :lol:

 

[AstroNorway]

AHA!!! Thats what they use on CSI !!!

 

[paintdrying]

Even by Nasa own admission you will not have power after this year. The sun is going to take out everything. It is going to be the 1800 within hours. If the sun does not get us, those smart meters will. They are all linked together wirelessly, what a recipe for failure.
I am ready for a change. I know many of the people on this forum ill survive as well.

 

[interestingfellow]

I like french fries.