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I went to a tire store to have my the rim leaks sealed and when they lifted my Astro, the guy put the rubber pads under the doubled seam that's supposed to be used with the OEM jack, bending the standing seam and crunching the sheet metal below the rocker panels- has this happened to anyone else? I can't believe mine is the first, nor will it be the last.

I looked into the shop and saw that the sheet metal was bent, told the guy at the counter that it's not supposed to be lifted that way and then, he AND the guy working on it said that those were good lift points. I immediately searched on my phone and everything shows that it's supposed to be lifted by the frame.

I took it to a few body shops and because it has a small amount of rust (not in these areas), they won't repair it because they offer a lifetime warranty on their bodywork. I don't want to take it to some schmuck just because he'll do it, but I want to be compensated now that my resale and trade-in value have been stabbed in the eyes. It's originally from PHX, so the body is in excellent condition,considering the age and miles.

Any others with this problem? What did you do about it?

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You’re not the first, but let’s hope. You’re the last. Chevrolet makes a part for lifting the van at the pinch points. Shop has its head up it’s (well you know) I would go after them to fix it at whatever cost. They have insurance for mistakes like this.
 

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I went to Tires Plus to have my the rim leaks sealed and when they lifted my Astro, the guy put the rubber pads under the doubled seam that's supposed to be used with the OEM jack, bending the standing seam and crunching the sheet metal below the rocker panels- has this happened to anyone else? I can't believe mine is the first, nor will it be the last.

I looked into the shop and saw that the sheet metal was bent, told the guy at the counter that it's not supposed to be lifted that way and then, he AND the guy working on it said that those were good lift points. I immediately searched on my phone and everything shows that it's supposed to be lifted by the frame.

I took it to a few body shops and because it has a small amount of rust (not in these areas), they won't repair it because they offer a lifetime warranty on their bodywork. I don't want to take it to some schmuck just because he'll do it, but I want to be compensated now that my resale and trade-in value have been stabbed in the eyes. It's originally from PHX, so the body is in excellent condition,considering the age and miles.

Any others with this problem? What did you do about it?

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Yes, mine came to me with rocker panel pinch weld damage , bth sides front and rear. I assume it was from a similar incident.
I uses 1" x 2" square tubing and made some slightly sturdier bars that fit under the rocker panels.
They are not perfect, but neither is the rest of the van. I am happy with the results.

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Excellent and Very Timely repost.

I have seen the slotted adapters for hoists and the entire side pans / sheet metal replaced with 1 X 3 or similar, square tube.
Should be easy enuf to find.
 

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Yep. It's bad on my van. I would love to do mine like Rod's.
Happens to other vehicles too. Here's a part to permanently fix a Comaro/Firebird:
1998-02 Camaro/Firebird Fender Flange Shield Kit - Detroit Speed - YouTube
Here's one repair process:
Bent Pinch Weld / Jack Point: Straightening / Fixing Using a Vice Clamp (Scion tC / tC2 / tC2.5) - YouTube
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I haven't been able to find a J41602 for sale.
Also, I think our pinchweld flange is deeper than on most vehicles, so the typical lift adapter still bends the flange.
 

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I am now officially worried, seeing just this many people this has happened to.
There are people out there calling themselves mechanics that think they can lift a vehicle with post lifts on pinch welds!😬😟I mean, proper adapters being used of course, but without?!
I wonder what else they are doing.
 

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I called a body shop this afternoon and was told to stop in, but he said that it's incredibly common- I don't know if people just don't notice it, or if they don't care but the way I see it, the resale/trade-in value took a big hit when this was done and I'm not happy about them blowing it off by saying "Those are good lift points", "That's what it showed" (referring to their manual or computer info) and "It's unibody- that's where we lift them". Whatever they use to see where vehicles should be lifted, it's freaking wrong!. I didn't go very far underneath when it happened because I have a messed up knee, but when I changed the oil and was on my creeper, I could see that the sheet metal box under the door was crunched and from the outside, the edge where it's closest to the bottom edge of the door is curved. When I showed them the same diagram as in post #7, the guy at the counter just said I would need to talk to the manager.

AFAIK, the pinch points are to be used only with the OEM jack, not when the lift has flat pads.
 

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There are adapters that would be put on the pads of the lift to fit around pinch welds the way the OEM jack does. There are also block type adapters for differences in elevation in parts of frames for frame lifting. Most mechanics just go to the frame.
It is plain to see a few people there didn't know what they were doing.
What pray tell did the manager say?
 

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There are adapters that would be put on the pads of the lift to fit around pinch welds the way the OEM jack does. There are also block type adapters for differences in elevation in parts of frames for frame lifting. Most mechanics just go to the frame.
It is plain to see a few people there didn't know what they were doing.
What pray tell did the manager say?
Same thing- the pinch welds are where they place the pads although he did say that once the estimates come in, their claims department should be notified. I want to avoid being a d!ck about it, but they did damage my van. I didn't hear from the mgr in many months, so I called several times and never got anywhere after leaving messages, so I called corporate and the woman found that the mgr had created a case, so I'm going to proceed. they'll stop lifting under the pinch welds- I was surprised that the body shop told me this is extremely common damage and that people don't do anything about it- if I speak with anyone higher up in the claims department, I'll explain my past experience as an installation department mgr and try to get them to understand that they're causing damage on a regular basis- it's a national chain, so I would guess that they have done this to tens of thousands of vehicles, if not more.

Hopefully,

I told everyone I spoke with at the store that I'm not blaming anyone because I think it's a training/info problem more than carelessness. I ran a car audio installation shop and know that damage can occur from accidents and this is covered by insurance but bad workmanship is specifically excluded by the shop's policy- if they're using bad information to lift vehicles, the company needs to eat the cost for repairs or compensate the vehicle owner in some way.

So far, I haven't found a shop who is willing to repair this- I'll see what they say at the most recent shop on Tuesday when I go in for the inspection and show the bulge under the passenger door.
 

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Highfigh,
I know it's been around for a while, kept forgetting to mention or compliment...
Brings a smile each time I see it, so Ironic & Funny...

My mechanic said "I couldn't fix your brakes, so I made your horn louder".
 

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I liked that too. I use my horn so rarely that when I need to, it takes me a second to find it and another to figure out how hard to hit it.

The shops are necessary for the estimate. They don't have to do the repair if they don't want to. Neither do you really. In some urban areas you'd think it's another source of income to get damage, file claims get paid and not fix.
If the shops don't want to do the repair they give the estimate for, once you get paid, you can go about repairing on your own if you want.
The job @Rod's Trucks looks decent enough. I think if he didn't point it out, nobody would know and as he pointed out, even if it's not perfect, neither is the van. Unless one is recently restored to perfection, almost none are.
 

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I liked that too. I use my horn so rarely that when I need to, it takes me a second to find it and another to figure out how hard to hit it.

The shops are necessary for the estimate. They don't have to do the repair if they don't want to. Neither do you really. In some urban areas you'd think it's another source of income to get damage, file claims get paid and not fix.
If the shops don't want to do the repair they give the estimate for, once you get paid, you can go about repairing on your own if you want.
The job @Rod's Trucks looks decent enough. I think if he didn't point it out, nobody would know and as he pointed out, even if it's not perfect, neither is the van. Unless one is recently restored to perfection, almost none are.
Thanks for the complement on the work.
I also had no luck finding somebody who would do the work, except for a shop that repairs BIG trucks. I was not even interested if getting a quote from a shop that can straighten the frames on long-haul trucks, but probably do not have small enough tools for this purpose.
I had an old pinch weld clamp from many years ago, so thought I would 'give it a go'. 'Leverage' is a really useful tool!

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OK there are some of them on the bay, under 30 bucks a pair, but,kinda obsolete, as a rubber block or block of wood does the same thing.
 

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Yep,call a lawyer. You may even get a bit of rust repair out of their screw up. Yep, most shops have big rubber blocks that sit on the lift/hoist pads, but tech's are too lazy to use them. If you really want to buy a set of GM ones- here ya go, but be sitting down when you see the price!
I don't see them paying $550/set for each store but I'm going to send the link to the claims department, to show them that this IS a real problem and the solution is available.
 

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WRT the line about making the horn louder, it's an old Steven Wright line.

As far as using a horn, I'm honestly surprised mine hasn't burst into flames because I use it all the time. Too many idiots driving around here- time to hit the old dusty trail and get out while I still can.
 

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I got tires for my Equinox last week at Discount Tires. I asked them if they lifted on the pinch welds and if they use the hoist adapters and they didn't want to talk about it (I should have checked before I took it in). All I could get out of them was that it shouldn't be an issue with the Equinox. I think I'll start asking every shop about this just so they know somebody is paying attention.
 
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