Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby JalosTA84 [OP] » October 12th 2009, 7:41pm

My parents' 1998 Astro recently developed a crack near the passenger side shock mount and has been leaking. It also seems the crack has been expanding slowly. When people are in the van, the crack widens a little bit. Can this crack be welded as a temporary or permanent solution?

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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby dentprone » October 12th 2009, 9:00pm

Wild! I would drill a small hole at each end to relieve the stress, then weld up the crack carefully. Looks like the brake line would have to come off or get pushed aside to do the repair safely.
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby astro355 » October 12th 2009, 11:58pm

You should also change the rear end grease too. You don't want any contaminates floating around in there. Any ideas how the crack started?
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby JalosTA84 [OP] » October 13th 2009, 12:09am

Yikes! My mom used the van this morning to take my brother to school (less than 1 mile away) and the crack got larger. It is now half way around the whole tube. :screaming: :banghead: I think we need a replacement housing now. :( Not sure how the crack started, but there has been a weird grinding noise upon acceleration for the past couple of years that could not be diagnosed by a Chevy dealer. They said they even put in the rear end of another truck and the noise was still there.
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby dentprone » October 13th 2009, 1:29am

Aw man, that sucks......looking at those updated pics, I wouldn't attempt a repair. The rear end is going to have to come out anyway if you were to try and weld it with any peace of mind. Good luck on it, where abouts are you located?
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby JalosTA84 [OP] » October 13th 2009, 2:01am

dentprone wrote:Good luck on it, where abouts are you located?

In not-so-sunny-right-now Los Angeles, CA.

The differential was changed a couple of years ago and I think they put in a diff with the wrong ratio. We had not noticed that the speedo was showing a lower speed until this summer when my sister was pulled over for doing 85 on the I-10 in Arizona. She thought she was going 78. Didn't get a ticket though :) I verified with my cell phone (which has built-in GPS) and the speedo is slow by about 7-8 MPH. According to the RPO code list, the original ratio was 3.73. Could a change to 3.42 or 3.23 account for this speedo discrepancy?

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I just used an online calculator and i came to the conclusion that it currently has a 3.42 ratio differential.
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby astro355 » October 13th 2009, 7:42am

Yeah, you should replace that rear end now. Unfortunately, you should park it until repairs can be made. Since that crack is growing, it will put (if not already) undo stress on the axle bearings and differential.
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby Big_kid » October 13th 2009, 2:12pm

astro355 wrote:Yeah, you should replace that rear end now. Unfortunately, you should park it until repairs can be made. Since that crack is growing, it will put (if not already) undo stress on the axle bearings and differential.


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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby dentprone » October 13th 2009, 4:19pm

Best of luck with the rear end, I have a line on a few, unfortunately I'm in FL. I'm sure you can find one easily out there. Keep us updated.
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby JalosTA84 [OP] » October 13th 2009, 11:31pm

I found a rear end from a 2001 Astro van with 67K miles and a 3.73 differential for $450. It has 90 day warranty. The seller is about 30 miles away and said he could bring it to us for free :)
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby tex star detail » October 13th 2009, 11:51pm

Try to talk him down some. I paid a little over $100 for mine, already pulled.
Is it already pulled? Who will you have install?
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby JalosTA84 [OP] » October 14th 2009, 1:00am

Yea it is already pulled and ready to install. It is not an individual who is selling it, but a junk yard. I highly doubt I would be able to get a rear end in good condition and with warranty for the price you got yours in this area.

I was thinking we could maybe do the install ourselves but I do know a mechanic who lives a few houses down that we could probably pay to do it if we need to.

How complicated is it to do the install? There are 4 bolts that hold the axle housing to the frame, correct? Then we disconnect the driveshaft and brake lines? Remove the bottom shock bolts. Remove bolts from leaf spring mounts. Anything else?
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby tex star detail » October 14th 2009, 5:08am

Jack up rear of van, chock front wheels. Pull rear wheels
Put jack stands under the van. (on frame, not axle) The higher, the better.
Pull jack out.
Remove driveshaft. (tape the u-joints so caps don't fall off. Don't drop the shaft either) Set Aside
Remove 1 bolt on each shock BOTTOM. You can leave attached to the top.
Remove Emergency brake cable.
Remove Rear brake line. (1 line on top of diff.)
Put Jack under Differential and jack up a tad. Jack touching the diff.
Remove u bolts and bolts.
drop jack and slide rear end out.

Installation is backwards of removal.

I recommend replacing brake shoes and inspecting the drums. (turn or replace if necessary)
Also make sure you change the rear diff fluid.
Bleed the rear brakes. I recommend gravity bleeding. (make sure you lower the van down level and do not let the reservoir run low of fluid)


Someone else chime in if I forgot something.
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby astro355 » October 15th 2009, 7:23am

tex star detail wrote:Jack up rear of van, chock front wheels. Pull rear wheels
Put jack stands under the van. (on frame, not axle) The higher, the better.
Pull jack out.
Remove driveshaft. (tape the u-joints so caps don't fall off. Don't drop the shaft either) Set Aside
Remove 1 bolt on each shock BOTTOM. You can leave attached to the top.
Remove Emergency brake cable.
Remove Rear brake line. (1 line on top of diff.)
Put Jack under Differential and jack up a tad. Jack touching the diff.
Remove u bolts and bolts.
drop jack and slide rear end out.

Installation is backwards of removal.

I recommend replacing brake shoes and inspecting the drums. (turn or replace if necessary)
Also make sure you change the rear diff fluid.
Bleed the rear brakes. I recommend gravity bleeding. (make sure you lower the van down level and do not let the reservoir run low of fluid)


Someone else chime in if I forgot something.


:goodpost:

Make sure you block off that brake line on the van side of the install. You don't want to bleed the master cylinder.

Also, PB Blaster will be your friend. Go and spray all of the bolts with this stuff immediately so it can soak in.
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby JalosTA84 [OP] » October 18th 2009, 6:58am

We put in the replacement rear end today :) Thanks for all your ideas and suggestions. We still need to bleed the brakes, but everything else is done.

Something I noticed:
- The driver side parking brake cable has no way of being adjusted and it always has some tension. (or did I just completely miss it while looking for an adjustment?) The metal part that the cable hooks onto inside the drum seems to be constantly pushing on the small bar that connects the two brake shoes and it is not aligned with the secondary shoe at the location the small bar touches it.The passenger side secondary shoe and parking brake metal part are aligned and the parking brake cable did not have as much tension as the driver side parking brake.

Something I learned:
- In the process of putting in the new brake shoes, I initially put in two primary brake shoes on the drivers side. I could not get the drum to go on the axle. Spent a good 30 minutes looking at why it wouldn't fit :banghead: and then I saw that the two remaining brake shoes had less contact area. I took out the handy Hayne's manual and found out that there is a primary and secondary brake shoe. :thumbup:
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby dentprone » October 19th 2009, 3:52am

Excellent, glad to hear you got things back together so quickly. I don't know much about the parking brake cable question, guess I'll find out when I do my brakes.
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby JalosTA84 [OP] » October 20th 2009, 2:50am

Bah! I took the van out for a drive today and when I got back, I noticed that the differential housing was wet on the bottom and also that there was a splash on the gas tank of what appears to be the differential gear oil :eek: I think the oil is coming out through the front part where the driveshaft connects.

I think what I need is a new pinion seal. Is this something that I can put in myself or do I need special tools?
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Re: Crack in rear axle housing near shock mount.

Postby Big_kid » October 20th 2009, 2:25pm

I did a pinion seal on a Camaro once, it was a piece of cake. I've not looked at the Astro, but I'd imagine it's the same. Remove the drive shaft from the rear yoke, remove the yoke, carefully pull the old seal, a VERY thin bead of sealer on the outer edge of the new seal (or not, depends who you ask) tap it in flush, reassemble.

I learned my lesson a LONG time ago- if you have ANYTHING apart, replace the seal while it's accessible- even if it doesn't leak. When I was 18 I hand wrenched a transmission only to find the torque converter seal leaked like a sieve. Wasn't fun.
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