Glass falling out!

Glass falling out!

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » April 16th 2015, 4:45pm

Since I bought my van, it has had a small leak in the windshield near the top right passenger side.

The prior owner had tried smearing some silicone there, which of course never works.

I noticed on my last road trip a drip near the center of the drivers side back window. My van is not a conversion van, just a regular SLT passenger van. I thought it might be leaking where the roof rack screws in, and put it on the list of "round tuits".

It is not the rack, it is the window its self. I bought some black polysulfide calk I was going to repair it with.... Wow was I surprised when I pulled on the edge of the trim!

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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » April 16th 2015, 4:55pm

:banghead:
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A gentle pull, and it almost fell out!

No mastic, looks more like some kind of grey adhesive. It is hard as a rock!

The back window has been sealed with it too... Does not look like it was re-done. Anyone else have such an issue?

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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » April 16th 2015, 4:57pm

I am going to gently pry the window out, chip as much of this off as I can and bed it back in with the polysulfide....
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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » April 16th 2015, 9:24pm

Gave it a little tug,came right out!
Look so weird open...

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The mastic is very hard, grey... Seems like it was bonded to the paint.

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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » April 16th 2015, 9:26pm

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Closer yet.....
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Closer
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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » April 16th 2015, 9:36pm

Look at the paint stuck to the back of the mastic.
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Paint stuck to mastic


Another one;
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Something wrong here....

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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Coaster » April 16th 2015, 10:06pm

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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby 97cargocrawler » April 16th 2015, 10:23pm

Is that the rear air conditioner option?
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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby GZimmy » April 16th 2015, 10:40pm

Sailing Faith, I urge you to NOT use that polysulfide adhesive to glue that window in. I spent 39 years in the auto glass industry as an installer and I know what I'm talking about. Polysulfide will not hold that window in very long. What you need is polyurethane auto glass adhesive, WITH its proper primers. You can get a couple tubes and primers and do it yourself, but I recommend that you go to a reputable auto glass shop, where they do such jobs every day, and have them glue the window back in with the proper adhesives.

Find a GOOD shop where they will carefully remove that original urethane adhesive, make sure both the glass and the pinchweld is primed properly with any evident rust repaired, and only then install the glass.

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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby GZimmy » April 16th 2015, 10:48pm

What you had there, Sailing Faith, is an adhesive failure, and it appears to be the original factory-installed urethane, judging from what I can see in the pictures. This is very unusual, unless your van was in an accident somewhere along the line and the bond was disturbed. It must be glued in again properly.

While you're at the auto glass shop, you might want them to take a look at that leak in your windshield. It's quite common for rust to start under the windshield of these vans, especially in a corner like that. It may be easily repairable, or it may mean pulling the windshield and completely redoing it. :roll:

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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby AstroWill » April 16th 2015, 11:28pm

I always thought that it would be cool if the rear side windows would open. I'm jealous!
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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby WoodButcher » April 17th 2015, 3:40am

GZimmy wrote:Sailing Faith, I urge you to NOT use that polysulfide adhesive to glue that window in. I spent 39 years in the auto glass industry as an installer and I know what I'm talking about. Polysulfide will not hold that window in very long. What you need is polyurethane auto glass adhesive, WITH its proper primers. You can get a couple tubes and primers and do it yourself, but I recommend that you go to a reputable auto glass shop, where they do such jobs every day, and have them glue the window back in with the proper adhesives.

Find a GOOD shop where they will carefully remove that original urethane adhesive, make sure both the glass and the pinchweld is primed properly with any evident rust repaired, and only then install the glass.

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I second that!

I'm wondering what caused a failure like that? It looks like maybe the paint and primer wasn't cured before the glass went in but I'm thinking they used the wrong glue. Is the paint good otherwise? was this a repair with the wrong adhesive? Even after years the glue used on windows should have some flex / elasticity left to it. The stuff should not be brittle and hard.
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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Zebediah III » April 17th 2015, 4:52am

Glass is not to be attached to a painted surface.
That's why it didn't stick. It will leak, just like you
described. before it gets painted, it is masked in the
area where the urethane will go. It goes onto etching
primer, or glass primer, not a smooth paint.
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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Astro Pop » April 17th 2015, 5:58am

So what I gather from the responses from the pro's here is that someone has done a shi*** repair and then unloaded the van on you. I'd also check other glass carefully and then other body items. Like is the rear frame straight, bondo in any panels, any fresh undercoating on the underside? But it could just be that somehow someone broke a rear window and did a DIY repair.
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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » April 17th 2015, 7:23am

Thanks for all the replies all.

I used a razor to prep the gasket, and got it about 90% but when I put the window up to the surface it did not have a good feel... Hard to explain, but I suspect some will understand. I thought about going to try to find a new gasket, but elected to take the glass to a glass shop.

Yes, it was very cool driving with the window out. Even more so since I got the new MAF in today and it drive much better... Driving with the windows down and that side window out moves a lot more air through the van. :)

Guy at the window place said he has seen this before. The place the window bonds to was not supposed to be painted... It was supposed to be primed with special primer.. Apparently GM was messing this up in the paint booth for a while. He said he bet the back window was the same way, and sure enough The prior owner had put a thin bead of sealant on the back window too.

This van was never wrecked, only paint it has had was when I had the hood and fenders sprayed.... There is no filler on the side and I have not found rust on it anywhere.

I belive the glass guy, he seemed to know his stuff and really had not incentive to BS me.

Thanks for the tips on not using polysulfide, I misspoke when I typed that. What I had picked up was polyurethane... I have used polysulfide on boats before, and have used this particular polyurethane and it works pretty well.... But I differ to your judgement anyway..

Window is back in now... If yours start leaking you will know what to look for.
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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » April 17th 2015, 7:31am

GZimmy wrote:What you had there, Sailing Faith, is an adhesive failure, and it appears to be the original factory-installed urethane, judging from what I can see in the pictures. This is very unusual, unless your van was in an accident somewhere along the line and the bond was disturbed. It must be glued in again properly.

While you're at the auto glass shop, you might want them to take a look at that leak in your windshield. It's quite common for rust to start under the windshield of these vans, especially in a corner like that. It may be easily repairable, or it may mean pulling the windshield and completely redoing it. :roll:

Gary :geek:


Thanks Gary, your post made me feel better about spending money to have someone else do it... Even if I had the right sealant, I admit I never would have thought to look for a special primer...

I am in California, but the van is registered in Florida. Whenever I drive back, the windshield replacement is covered by insurance there.. (Even liability policy's in FL cover the windshield... State law).

Guy here wanted $150 to r&r it, but if the windshield broke taking it out I would have to replace it anyway....
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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Astro Pop » April 17th 2015, 7:08pm

Glad it was an easy fix after all.
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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » April 20th 2015, 9:37pm

Astro Pop wrote:Glad it was an easy fix after all.



I hope so! The back window has a slight leak, the prior owner seems to have tried to fix w silicone... That never works! :screaming:
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Re: Glass falling out!

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » September 11th 2020, 6:21am

Flash forward five years.......

The passenger side failed in the exact same way, this morning I noticed this:

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Not supposed to do this....


Another view;

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Was able to carefully pry it out... same failure as last time.


Ground the remaining sealant off of the window, took it to a glass shop where they brushed the metal, applied a primer and then reset the window in fresh mastic.

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All buttoned back up....


Reyes Glass, in San Rafael CA... owner is a great guy (they have Astro service vehicles)... quoted me $200 for a new windshield. :rockon:
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