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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby jrsride2002 [OP] » March 28th 2015, 2:04pm

Lumpy wrote:Ah... I can see forums full of pissed off ricers now. All complaining about how they only got a 5 hp increase with the "Full Flow" aftermarket fuel strainer. The one that they paid forty-nine bucks for.
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That is just my personal belief, not saying one way or the other. All though, I know I won't be ordering the next pump through the same seller.

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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby jrsride2002 [OP] » March 28th 2015, 2:07pm

Oh yea, and I totally found rocker switches for when i'm ready to accessorize my ManVan :banana: :dance: :bouncy: :rockon: :cheers:

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Postby Astrofarian » March 28th 2015, 2:16pm

jrsride2002 wrote:Oh yea, and I totally found rocker switches for when i'm ready to accessorize my ManVan :banana: :dance: :bouncy: :rockon: :cheers:

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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby WoodButcher » March 28th 2015, 2:19pm

Lumpy wrote:
jrsride2002 wrote:
Lumpy wrote:What, did someone go out and design one that's not to spec?


Horse power freaks.


Lumpy wrote:Who would bother to design a non-spec version at that price?


The Chinese??


Ah... I can see forums full of pissed off ricers now. All complaining about how they only got a 5 hp increase with the "Full Flow" aftermarket fuel strainer. The one that they paid forty-nine bucks for.


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And the company rep arguing the validity of the warranty for those that did purchase separately (added at no charge with the purchase of said pump) you pay the cost of shipping and handling only of $19.95 + the 49.95 pump....
The rep asks if you installed the imported German magnets on the fuel rail in correct orientation, NW>SE during the rise of the harvest moon?
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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby jrsride2002 [OP] » March 28th 2015, 2:41pm

WoodButcher wrote:And the company rep arguing the validity of the warranty for those that did purchase separately (added at no charge with the purchase of said pump) you pay the cost of shipping and handling only of $19.95 + the 49.95 pump....
The rep asks if you installed the imported German magnets on the fuel rail in correct orientation, NW>SE during the rise of the harvest moon?

I understand your argument. But if you have uneven tire ware. You don't buy a set of tires, without getting an alignment done. The seller bought the pumps from the manufacture, but not the proper screen. Manufacture is can't be responsible for someone else's bad judgment. Would your local tire shop replace those tires at their expense, because you didn't get an alignment?

Yes i'm upset with the manufacture not replacing the pump. But if I would have know about the stipulations for the warranty, I would have asked the seller to confirm the product is supported with what they distribute. It is the responsibility of the buyer(from the manufacture) to read that warranty form, that the manufacture supplies you. They either didn't, or didn't care. The ignorance is completely on the seller, and me for not asking the correct question(s).

Again, I stand by the manufacture. It's the seller, that set me up for failure.
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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby WoodButcher » March 28th 2015, 2:59pm

I'm sure you correct in that Jr.
Could that be the same reason so many other failures were mentioned in the forums for all but the AC Delco pump? Crud in the tank and not cleaning it out when replacing the pump would likely kill any pump. Also how many drivers run their tank to E and below on a regular basis? Fuel is the coolant for the pump motor and running them down is a no-no. More than one way to kill a pump, I've been lucky so far. I haven't had a pump fail yet.
I hope it works out for you. :thumbup:



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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby jrsride2002 [OP] » March 28th 2015, 3:19pm

WoodButcher wrote:... I've been lucky so far. I haven't had a pump fail yet.

Agreed... You have been lucky :lol: :P

I've dropped that tank twice(in my other van), out of requirement. That's why I have the hatch installed on this van.

WoodButcher wrote:ps- if you need it I'll loan you my copy of the Farmers Almanac :lol:

Hehehe
My uncle has the 2014 edition, it'll serve my needs well :rolling:

WoodButcher wrote:Could that be the same reason so many other failures were mentioned in the forums for all but the AC Delco pump? Crud in the tank and not cleaning it out when replacing the pump would likely kill any pump. Also how many drivers run their tank to E and below on a regular basis? Fuel is the coolant for the pump motor and running them down is a no-no. More than one way to kill a pump...

I am my opinion, I am leaning towards yes...
When I replaced my pumps, they were AC Delco's. Complete sending units, and pumps. I didn't bother taking it apart to see what/who the physical pump maker was. It could also be some Chinese pump, but with a GOOD filter screen. Not saying it is, but I just don't know.

I think the real question is along the lines of: How to clean out the tank? How does one, flush that crud out? Use a water hose, in the back yard? :think:

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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby Lumpy » March 28th 2015, 3:27pm

jrsride2002 wrote:
I think the real question is along the lines of: How to clean out the tank? How does one, flush that crud out? Use a water hose, in the back yard?


Replace the tank? About $100 for a new one for my year model.

If the crud is coming from inside the tank (rust/corrosion etc) then cleaning it out would probably only prolong the band-aid.


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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby jrsride2002 [OP] » March 28th 2015, 3:49pm

Lumpy wrote:... cleaning it out would probably only prolong the band-aid.
Lump

Damn :banghead: :whack:
Not what I wanted to hear Lump!

I MIGHT try the water hose in the back yard idea.... I've got time, so i'll do some googling to find other methods...

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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby jrsride2002 [OP] » March 28th 2015, 4:18pm



Interesting...

" put kero,diesel or mineral spirits in it with small rocks not to sharp but enough to scratch the junk.and shake it."
-B1 bob from a snowmobile site

Seafoam and carb cleaner, are suggestions from a arborist site that I am signed on with

But this video is what I was thinking...


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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby Lumpy » March 28th 2015, 5:33pm

I'd be inclined to use solvents and detergents before I'd risk putting any kind of abrasive (rocks etc) in there. I'm not sure how much we could manually brush away like that Airtex guy was doing in his tank. Ours have baffles and what not that might prevent our arm from getting very far.

Maher says vinegar kills rust. Maybe that's a good solvent to try.

If rust is eating the inside walls of your tank, I'd be a little concerned about the walls getting thin enough to leak. I had a truck that leaked like that once. Through rust pin holes.

If we start to get to the point where we're thinking "Line the inside with something like epoxy paint" I think it's time to just buy a new tank.

Or delete the tank all-together and use recycled bleach bottles for a fuel tank. They don't rust.


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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby WoodButcher » March 28th 2015, 6:23pm

In 2012 I used the almanac for our wedding plans, spot on.

New tank?

$688.70 at GM Parts East

http://www.gmpartseast.com/Page_Product ... =53M&Year=

I'd have no problem with the epoxy paint option.
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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby Leeann_93 » March 28th 2015, 6:29pm

The POR-15 kit works pretty well. We used it on one of the RV tanks.
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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby Lumpy » March 28th 2015, 6:56pm

WoodButcher wrote:
New tank?

$688.70 at GM Parts East



Dorman - $100


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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby jrsride2002 [OP] » March 28th 2015, 9:12pm

Leeann_93 wrote:The POR-15 kit works pretty well. We used it on one of the RV tanks.

Really?!?! Neat!
I wouldn't think those two would work well, fuel and POR-15 i mean

Lumpy wrote:I'd be inclined to use solvents and detergents before I'd risk putting any kind of abrasive (rocks etc) in there. I'm not sure how much we could manually brush away like that Airtex guy was doing in his tank. Ours have baffles and what not that might prevent our arm from getting very far.
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I totally spaced out one the baffle... I don't see vinegar being an issue. My only dispute is that, it was used and applied to a steel/tin/metal tank. Not a plastic tank. Still, a few bucks in vinegar, and few hours to drop, clean and reinstall is better then a $100 Dorman tank(to me at least). I will drop the tank tonight, but wont clean it until next weekend. Unless I start loosing sleep over it, then i'll do it in the middle of the night.

Thanks guys, keep the ideas coming,
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Postby Leeann_93 » March 28th 2015, 9:57pm

It isn't POR-15 paint.

http://www.por15.com/POR-15-Fuel-Tank-R ... _p_62.html

But it isn't a whole lot cheaper than the Dorman tank. We didn't pay nearly that much for ours...like ½ that price. But it was worth it for an 36 gallon steel tank.
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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby Lumpy » March 28th 2015, 10:15pm

Leeann_93 wrote:It isn't POR-15 paint.

http://www.por15.com/POR-15-Fuel-Tank-R ... _p_62.html

But it isn't a whole lot cheaper than the Dorman tank...



That's exactly what I meant when I suggested "by the time we think of paint, I'd buy a new tank".

Even if the application of the por stuff went really well, it wouldn't be the same as starting with new metal.

Perhaps best-O-both worlds...new Dorman tank and POR sealer. That might be the approach I'd take. Cargo would probably have a new fuel cell fabbed up out of aluminum with kevlar and polyurethane lining.

But I think Jr's on a good track. Clean the darn thing as best you can. What could go wrong? It's only 27 gallons of gas.. :doh:


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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby jrsride2002 [OP] » March 29th 2015, 1:57am

Lumpy wrote:Perhaps best-O-both worlds...new Dorman tank and POR sealer. That might be the approach I'd take. Cargo would probably have a new fuel cell fabbed up out of aluminum with kevlar and polyurethane lining.
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Aint that the damned truth!! :lol: :lol:

I didn't know POR-15 had a tank treatment, I thought they only had the rust inhibitor paint :poke:

I think I will still clean it out, MAYBE down the line, I will replace it. But right now, im just trying to get the van back into a reliable, and drivable, condition. To me, a new tank is a little more luxury, then I need, to get a project off the ground... Well, back on the ground and driving, really...

Lumpy wrote:But I think Jr's on a good track. Clean the darn thing as best you can. What could go wrong? It's only 27 gallons of gas.. :doh:
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Lucky for me, I only have about 5 gallons in it. I'm just going to let it flop onto the ground, once I have it completely unhooked. That hatch I installed, is going to play a part in dropping the tank.

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Postby kennyj » March 29th 2015, 5:33am

Didn't you say that fuel pump burnt out when you left it hot-wired? :whistle:

If you have rust in the fuel tank there is no simple solution for it; either reline the tank with Por-15, or replace the tank. You could probably get a good junkyard tank for not too much money.

If you try to just clean the tank it will never be adequate, and it will haunt you constantly and probably end up costing big bucks for more fuel pumps, filters, and probably even the injection spider.

I have used Por-15 to reline a motorcycle tank; I had to first de-rust it with electrolysis. The process worked well and the finished tank came out really nice, but it was a huge amount of work, and very time consuming, and a Por-15 kit sized for your van's tank would cost as much as a junkyard tank. The only reason i went to the trouble with my moto tank was because it was a vintage bike.

Whatever you do, good luck with it.
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Re: 2000 AWD Cargo. The van i always wanted

Postby jrsride2002 [OP] » March 29th 2015, 3:44pm

kennyj wrote:Didn't you say that fuel pump burnt out when you left it hot-wired? :whistle:

100% Yes. There is no doubt that, that is why it burnt out in the first place. The manufacture won't warranty it because of the improper screen, that the seller supplied.

kennyj wrote:If you have rust in the fuel tank there is no simple solution for it; either reline the tank with Por-15, or replace the tank. You could probably get a good junkyard tank for not too much money.

If you try to just clean the tank it will never be adequate, and it will haunt you constantly and probably end up costing big bucks for more fuel pumps, filters, and probably even the injection spider.

I am going to just clean it out as best I can, then eventually go with Lump's suggestion for a Dorman tank. But you're correct, it will be in the back of my mind, gnawing at me like a collage kid on pizza. With that been said, I think I would be doing the same process with a junkyard tank, and have the same gnawing feeling lingering. As for the spider, it's about to be exterminated anyways :handgestures-thumbup: :banana-rock:

Plus, I hoping it dose cost more in fuel pumps. If I have a lifetime warranty from a undesirable seller, then I am going to test their corporate merit. And see if they honor their warranty.

kennyj wrote:I have used Por-15 to reline a motorcycle tank; I had to first de-rust it with electrolysis. The process worked well and the finished tank came out really nice, but it was a huge amount of work, and very time consuming, and a Por-15 kit sized for your van's tank would cost as much as a junkyard tank. The only reason i went to the trouble with my moto tank was because it was a vintage bike.

Whatever you do, good luck with it.

I think I might apply the POR-15 to the Dorman tank. No sense in not doing a job the right way, the first time. Thanks for the luck, i'll update as I go

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