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Ole Yellars's picture post-a starting point

Postby Gary [OP] » July 7th 2008, 6:46am

This is the early stages of my project Astro called "Ole Yellar".

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Yes I bought a old ice cream truck,

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The running boards,decals and the bell is long gone.

I bought a donor van that has a 1996 TBI 350 in it and I will cut out patch pannels out of it for a soft spot that has bubbled paint above the rockers and below the body line on the drivers side.

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I recently swapped the steering column out of the donor so I now have a titl,delay wiper,cruise in Ole Yellar.Oh yeah I swapped the rims and tires onto Ole Yellar too.

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I have a no window slider and I am buying filler pannels for the windows.I am still looking for no window rear doors to turn this into a full no window cargo.

I'll post as I make more progess.
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Re: Ole Yellars's picture post-a starting point

Postby modlite » July 7th 2008, 8:12am

Curious to know, why don't you want any windows?
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Re: Ole Yellars's picture post-a starting point

Postby chops » July 7th 2008, 12:34pm

cuz windowless vans are awesome!!! looks great Gary bbut what color are you gonna paint ole yellar?
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Re: Ole Yellars's picture post-a starting point

Postby Gary [OP] » July 7th 2008, 2:36pm

modlite wrote:Curious to know, why don't you want any windows?


Well two reasons.First I do like the no window look.Second,the primary use for this van is to tow my vendor trailer to fleamarketers and storeage of overstock product.I really don't want anyone to know what I have in it.


chops wrote:cuz windowless vans are awesome!!! looks great Gary bbut what color are you gonna paint ole yellar?



Chops-going to paint some kind of mustard yellow.The vendor trailer is going to be painted the same color and I will post pictures of it at some point too.
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Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby Gary [OP] » May 16th 2010, 12:59am

Going to start the thread here with some history pics to date.
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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby astroturf » May 16th 2010, 1:04am

Hey Gary, Maybe we could consolidate this, and move this one: viewtopic.php?f=65&t=1147&start=0 to the Projects/Builds section.

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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby webcat » May 16th 2010, 2:05am

I love build threads .
Looking forward to watching you build this . :D
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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby Gary [OP] » May 16th 2010, 3:17am

astroturf wrote:Hey Gary, Maybe we could consolidate this, and move this one: viewtopic.php?f=65&t=1147&start=0 to the Projects/Builds section.

Jim


Thank you for finding that.I sent a PM to Asutin/Astro355 requesting that move.I will wait until they do that for my opening of the build thread.
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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby Mr_Bowtie » May 16th 2010, 3:44am

I hope to see a ton of pics in this thread........we need more pics around here lately! :rockon:
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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby Gary [OP] » May 16th 2010, 4:11am

Mr_Bowtie wrote:I hope to see a ton of pics in this thread........we need more pics around here lately! :rockon:


Nick-going to try to do my best at that.Captions too as to what the pic's mean.
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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby 94 Van Guy » May 16th 2010, 4:25am

Thanks Gary,

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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby Gary [OP] » May 16th 2010, 5:55am

Here is a little tid-bit found while researching the engine I got in the donor van.Well as it worked out it is a crate 1996 short block with 1995 heads.None the less this copy could help out others.

Rev. 09/29/95
1996 C/K Pickup - Engines (L31)
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Vortec V8 Engine (L31)
The new Vortec 5700 V8 L31 truck engine gives Chevy truck owners more of what they want: more horse-power and torque, and longer intervals between recommended service than previous engines.
GM Powertrain engineers adopted a "no trade-offs" approach to updating the classic small block V8 engine design. They redesigned the 5.7 Liter small block V8 truck engine with four goals in mind:


Improved performance
Increased pleasability
Reduced maintenance
Reduced emissions.
Their objective was to improve smoothness and performance without sacrificing reliability, giving Chevy truck owners "the best of both worlds." And they succeeded.
"The challenge was to deliver in all areas -- not one or two at the expense of the others," said Volker Harhaus, GM Powertrain's Chief Engineer for Truck Engine Controls. The new Vortec 5700 V8 offers 25 percent more horsepower than its predecessor, delivering a performance improvement when towing or passing that Chevy truck buyers can really feel. Compare the increased power and torque available in the new standard engine to last year's models (C/K Pickup under 8600 lbs. GVWR):


Horsepower Torque (lb.-ft)
1995 5.7 Liter 200 @ 4000 rpm 310 @ 2400 rpm
1996 5700 255 @ 4600 rpm 330 @ 2800 rpm
Change +55 +20


Noise reduction was a high priority to increase customer satisfaction. Several refinements reduce noise and vibration:


A redesigned accessory drive system uses stiffer mounts and a single serpentine belt on all models.
A composite front cover, remote-mounted composite air cleaner and tangentially mounted air conditioning compressor reduce airborne noise.
The new Vortec 5700 V8 engine relies on advanced technology to achieve a high level of performance:
Sequential Fuel Injection (SFI) is available for the first time on a V8 engine. This GM-patented system provides the benefits of precise fuel delivery to each cylinder without the cost and complexity of conventional Multi-Port Fuel Injection.

The centerpiece of the SFI system is a single disk injector that is connected to eight individual poppet valves with flexible lines. The central injector controls the flow of pressurized fuel to the poppet valve nozzle in each intake runner.

The sophisticated yet simple SFI system delivers significant benefits to Chevrolet customers:


Fuel delivery is precisely controlled for optimal cylinder-to-cylinder distribution, producing a smooth idle, increased horsepower and torque and lower emissions.
The reduced thermal mass of the poppet valves (compared to conventional solenoid injectors) provides near-instantaneous hot-starts.
The poppet nozzles' design and optimum locationproduce an effective spray pattern that contributes to the engine's smooth idle and outstanding fuel efficiency.
The SFI's modular design simplifies service; its central injector can be replaced as a single unit.
A mass airflow meter constantly measures the engine's air requirements under varying operating conditions, such as changes in load, altitude and temperature. By providing accurate information on the engine's air intake to the Vehicle Control Module (VCM), the mass airflow meter contributes to the small block's efficiency and performance.
Straight-port cylinder heads with revised combustion chambers improve airflow and raise the compression ratio to 9.4:1 (from 9.1:1 for 1995). This boost in compression ratio improves thermal efficiency and performance, but does not increase the engine's octane requirement.

The secret of the more powerful Vortec 5700 V8 is the new two-piece intake manifold design for optimum engine breathing. The distinctive black-and-silver manifold assembly consists of an aluminum lower half and a composite upper half. The composite upper manifold reduces mass and noise, acts as a thermal insulator and tunes the induction system for optimal airflow. The Vortec V8 is the first application of a composite upper intake manifold on a truck engine.

Roller lifters reduce internal engine friction and wear. An aggressive new hydraulic roller camshaft profile works with the revised cylinder heads to improve engine power. A steel camshaft replaces the previous cast-iron cam to withstand the higher contact stresses associated with roller lifters and give longer life.

The switch to a steel cam and roller lifters gave GM engineers the freedom to design fast-action cam lobes. The area under the valve curve was increased to augment power, yet a good idle quality was maintained. It's a win-win situation: more power, a stable idle, low hydrocarbon emissions and exceptional fuel economy.

The Vortec V8's roller lifter camshaft improves low-end torque for towing and trailering, while also extending the engine's dynamic operating range for faster acceleration and quicker passing.

The Vortec V8's cooling system has been improved for 1996. A controlled bypass thermostat improves bank-to-bank coolant flow balance, expedites warmup, enhances heater performance, and improves cooling by directing all coolant flow through the radiator when the engine is at operating temperature.

A crankshaft position sensor signals the Vehicle Control Module (VCM) to ensure accurate fuel delivery and spark timing for each cylinder. The crankshaft position sensor also aids in the detection of misfires and ensures that the engine is running at peak efficiency.

"Our goal for the '96 truck program was to make the powertrains maintenance free," said Volker Harhaus, Chief Engineer of Truck Engine Controls for the GM Powertrain Group. "And you can see from our new service intervals, we're getting close to achieving that goal."

Extended maintenance schedules help make Chevy trucks more environment-friendly. Fewer parts to change and longer intervals between scheduled services mean less waste is generated.

The Vortec 5700 V8 is equipped with an enhanced exhaust system.


A new Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) take-off point evenly distributes EGR between cylinders, improving driveability.
A new high-temperature silicon-molybdenum alloy improves the durability of the exhaust manifolds.
An electronically controlled linear EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) valve is designed to improve emissions performance.
This advanced EGR valve offers much finer flow control than a conventional vacuum-operated valve, regardless of manifold pressure or engine load.
On-Board Diagnostics reach a new level of sophistication with the implementation of OBD II (On-Board Diagnostics Second Generation). A more powerful Vehicle Control Module (VCM) monitors the emissions system and its components to detect deterioration or malfunction.


The powerful VCM stores and retrieves diagnostic messages to help technicians diagnose and fix problems quickly and accurately.
The VCM alerts the driver by illuminating the ÒService Engine SoonÓ light when it detects a deterioration in the performance of any of the monitored systems.
Unlike first-generation systems that signaled only system failures, OBD II alerts the driver to have the vehicle serviced before experiencing a possible break-down or incurring more expensive repairs.
Vortec 5700 V8s have new Revised Permanent Mold (RPM) pistons designed using sophisti-cated GM computer programs. Precision machining simplifies the manufacturing process by allowing a single piston size to be used in all engines.
The enhanced Vortec V8s are examples of the Chevrolet commitment to continuous improvement of its products. The application of advanced technology and innovative ideas has made the proven small block V8 a standout performer in the highly competitive truck market. With more power and quieter operation, the new Vortec V8s will add to the small block's longstanding reputation for excellence.



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This is what I found during my research.Hummm,wondering if this is adding to my high idle problem with using a TBI now??.
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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby Gary [OP] » May 16th 2010, 6:09am

In the beginning guys this thread is going to be abit fragmented because of a number of other threads started.Trust me,once I start the work,I will straighten that out.

I have about a week before my LT will be my D.D'er.Then I take the Ole Yellar off the road to start.Rust repair/window fillers first.
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Re: Ole Yellars's picture post-a starting point

Postby webcat » May 23rd 2010, 6:25pm

Gary wrote:I bought a donor van that has a 1996 TBI 350 in it


1996 is Vortec , did the van come with a Vortec TBI intake ?
What engine and intake system is ole yeller gonna end up with ?
You gonna run emissions or non emissions ?
Let me know i might have some schematics that may help you.
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Re: Ole Yellars's picture post-a starting point

Postby Gary [OP] » May 24th 2010, 12:32am

webcat wrote:
Gary wrote:I bought a donor van that has a 1996 TBI 350 in it


1996 is Vortec , did the van come with a Vortec TBI intake ?
What engine and intake system is ole yeller gonna end up with ?
You gonna run emissions or non emissions ?
Let me know i might have some schematics that may help you.



As I said,it seems the donor engine is a 1996 short block with 1995 heads and intake.My answer might seem a bit confuse because I haven't decided on weither it is going to be a 383 or 355.That will also depend on once I tear the engine down more because many of the crate engine have a overbore to 30 or 40 over.So I need to measure the bore size.

Either way,the top haft is going to be changed.If it is going to be 355,then the top haft will be more likely towards the vortec style TBI with heads runners sized for that and if 383 is more likely toward Edelbrock EFI intake and heads for a increase CC intake runner.

I won't be looking at that until July for the engine decisions.

The first thing to get done will be the body mods and rust repair and donor sub frame build-up.

Thanks for thinking of me with the intake.

The pictures are going to get stored in my camera until I get my computer repaired.My XP is down right now and this post is from my back-up computer.
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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby Gary [OP] » June 2nd 2010, 4:53am

Looks like I will be moving up the decision about 355 or 383 up to this week.More to come.......
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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby Gary [OP] » June 26th 2010, 3:21am

Wrenching on the Ole Yellar V8 today to get it ready to go to the machine shop for cleaning,bore size check,inspection.Got one head off and am working on the other one.No pics,still working on the back-up computer which won't accept camera program.
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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby rev_les » June 26th 2010, 5:59am

Looks like things are rolling along. I know it's a bit early, but have you thought about that dark yellow like the Vettes have on them?
Which 383 setup are you gonna run? Scat makes one for street ( low rpm) motors that's really reasonable.Then ya get to the higher dollar stuff, but for just towing a trailer and street use, the torque of the 383 with a good RV cam would be awesome.
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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby astroturf » June 26th 2010, 1:31pm

Good to hear you are making progress Gary... Keep us posted. Jim
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Re: Ole Yellar build thread.

Postby Gary [OP] » June 26th 2010, 2:21pm

rev_les wrote:Looks like things are rolling along. I know it's a bit early, but have you thought about that dark yellow like the Vettes have on them?
Which 383 setup are you gonna run? Scat makes one for street ( low rpm) motors that's really reasonable.Then ya get to the higher dollar stuff, but for just towing a trailer and street use, the torque of the 383 with a good RV cam would be awesome.



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It is a 1996 block and has the roller spider taped holes for a roller cam.It currently has a flat tappet cam in it and either the current size because of a overbore too big for a 383 or for the stroker,I am going for a full roller set-up.(if it has been bored .040,not a good candidate for a stroker and would be just freshen up)I won't know what a accurate bore size until I have it at the machine shop.The stock spider retainers is good for 5,000 to 5250 RPM and there is a aftermarket one that you can go to 6,000 RPM which I might use just for safety reasons.I have had a O.E.M. cam in mind for this all along which is "nicknamed" the 383 cam that has 109 lobe centers and a lift just under 500.Also either way(355 or 383) it is going to get top haft'ed.The question of which heads is dictated by the size of the engine.355 is in the range of 180cc to 185cc intake runners and a 383 is 195cc intake runners.The formula roughly for that is .5 x the size of the engine.Example:383 x .5 = 191.5 cc.I have window shopped two sources for both sizes of heads and ones that are drilled and tap for early and later intake manifolds.Bottom line is I am building for low end torque and considering that might if a 383 spend more for a tougher more expensive set-up.

I have said this one is going to be the very best one I have ever done because it is likely the last one.I am soon to be 63 yrs old and have been involved in high performance cars/trucks/drag cars since I was 14 yrs old.I am not rich,but the best I can afford.
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