Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby The Scotsquatch [OP] » March 6th 2008, 12:05am

Hey guys...a quick question. My Cat is full of holes and smells like rotten eggs, so I was thinking of eliminating it since we live in Florida, where there are no emissions or inspections. The oxygen sensor on my 91 (there is only 1 oxygen sensor) is before the cat, so that shouldn't be a problem.

My question is about back pressure. Will there be enough backpressure with just the muffler and no catalytic converter?

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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby gtkane » March 6th 2008, 1:46am

Yeah, you can safely remove it with no problems.
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby SoraD » March 6th 2008, 4:01pm

i always thought you needed a CAT for backpressure reasons, my buddy has an S10 with a gutted cat and he lost a little of his low end. myabe you can just go by a new cat.
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby The Scotsquatch [OP] » March 6th 2008, 10:40pm

I had a 1980 Volvo wagon when I was stationed in Connecticut before I retired. It BARELY passed emissions...and then the cat clogged up. I gutted the cat since they were so expensive, and when I ran it through emissions the next year, it had lower emissions than with the cat...lol! As far as backpressure, a stock muffler should do it...a fullflow might not make the backpressure enough without the cat, but all the research I've done in the last couple of days indicates that with a stock muffler, the backpressure would be just fine.
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby JeepDaddy » March 7th 2008, 4:37am

It is against federal emissions law to remove a catalytic converter from an OEM cat equipped vehicle.

I would advise against it. They do reduce emissions and do not rob any power from your engine.

It only cost me $60 when I replaced mine.

It's kind of an ethical thing for me.
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby SoraD » March 7th 2008, 1:20pm

so i guess backpressure isnt a issue for our v6's/v8's hehe.
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby The Scotsquatch [OP] » March 7th 2008, 5:13pm

I'm going to get a quote on the whole exhaust...the connector pipes are still good, so if I can get a generic cat and muffler, etc, I might just go that route...or I might just get a straight pipe and do it myself...I really want to put in a round cylindrical shaped muffler to give me more room to disconnect the driveshaft for towing the van, and for putting in a clamp for towing...I'll let you all know what I decide and how it turns out!

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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby v8mad0 » March 9th 2008, 5:33pm

Over here in England you only need a cat on stuff built after 94. I would say that a good 80% of the American cars over here have had their cats removed.

I was always lead to believe that by removing the cat you would gain a very very small amount of BHP.

My Safari has a 3in stainless steel cat back system on it which sounds lovely.
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby chops » March 9th 2008, 7:40pm

JeepDaddy wrote:It is against federal emissions law to remove a catalytic converter from an OEM cat equipped vehicle.

I would advise against it. They do reduce emissions and do not rob any power from your engine.

It only cost me $60 when I replaced mine.

It's kind of an ethical thing for me.


I wouldn't want to break any laws :biglaugh:
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby The Scotsquatch [OP] » March 10th 2008, 6:09am

Please don't think I don't care about our environment, but I am also far from an "enviro-weenie." A catalytic converter does so little for emissions...emissions which break down in UV light all by themselves, that I really do believe them to be useless.

The real enemy of the planet scientifically, as far as global warming is concerned, is carbon dioxide. I'm sure I give off more CO2 than my van does just breathing, and again, it gets taken care of naturally by every single plant on the planet...they "breathe" it in during the day and emit O2, and then exhale CO2 at night at smaller quantities.

The planet is too big and bad for us to ruin with our little human toys, unless we start nuking everything.

I was on nuclear submarines for 20 years (USN-SS-RET), I have 2 degrees, one in engineering, and one in liberal arts, and can make the educated statement that I don't think that eliminating a catalytic converter, or ALL catalytic converters, is going to impact the environment one whit.

Heck...it was only a decade ago that they stopped using flourocarbons in this country (they still use them almost everywhere else on the globe)...and the Ozone Layer is for all intensive purposes completely whole...science is an art...an art we have yet to master...just check your local weather when they say its going to be sunny, and its raining like hell in your driveway!

My question was about backpressure and whether or not the vehicle would start backfiring or lose HP or MPG, or damage the muffler from backfire...my concience is clear environmentally.

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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby chops » March 11th 2008, 9:38pm

OK to answer your question on my experiences I have ran many cars without CATS and never had any problems thats usually the first thing I do to my cars remove or gut the CAT and put nice sounding muffler and I have never seen any hp or mpg droppage!!! :2cents:
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby thyubernoob » March 12th 2008, 2:55am

I do the same as Chops..no problems here :layrubber:
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby The Scotsquatch [OP] » March 12th 2008, 2:49pm

Thanks again guys! I didn't think it would be a problem, but a friend of mine (a MOPAR nut) insisted that if I eliminated the cat, then the engine would start backfiring and would destroy the muffler...I didn't think that was right, but wanted to make sure with you folks that have experience with these GM V-6 motors in Astros.

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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby 800wildcat » March 24th 2008, 10:50pm

The more you lower backpressure, the more you increase MPG (on any vehicle). Lowering backpressure may reduce very low end hp (depending on the cam) but should increase high end hp. Not certain how the change may affect the computer but the lower the backpressure, the more air should be drawn in at the same revs. The flow meter should compensate without a problem.
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby The Scotsquatch [OP] » March 26th 2008, 4:30pm

The cat is gone! I replaced it with 2 1/4 inch straight pipe, flared to 2 1/2 inches to slip over the head pipe. A new cylindrical muffler went in with 2 1/4 inch inlet and outlet, and a stock tailpipe. The results? No more water smoke at startup, and no more lag at all in acceleration! Excellent power, better than ever! It still starts hard, but that is for another post.

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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby jdubbya » April 29th 2008, 12:57am

I had mine replaced with a straight pipe and new cheapo muffler. Engine seems to breathe better, better throttle response, sounds better I think. What do you think the effect on MPG will be?
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby kocka80 » May 10th 2008, 5:01am

maybe late with this but I was wondering what did you do with the O2 sensors that was right infront of the cat and behind the cat unplug them?
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby jtz2 » May 12th 2008, 8:52pm

Got a pipe welded on where my cat was today as well... But from 50 to 60 it backfires like a mutha.. still have the muffler on so i wouldnt think it'd be a big deal. Any ideas?
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby mattconrad » May 12th 2008, 10:56pm

jtz2, what year is your van?
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Re: Can the catalytic converter be eliminated?

Postby jtz2 » May 13th 2008, 10:58pm

96 safari.. Could it be the O2's? I only saw a pre cat o2 on the pipe so I didnt think it would be an issue. Did pull the engine cover today and notice the spark plugs and dist cap and rotor needed changing about 100,000 miles ago. Anyone know what dist cap and rotor kit works? The ones that show up on advance and autozone website show the cap with horizontal towers but mine was vertical..
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