6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby gavio [OP] » April 7th 2020, 11:36pm

We have decided to buld a small off-road camping trailer to multiply our indoor space and camping options when out and about........We have a small home-built utility trailer to sue as a base and the plan was to upgrade the axle pronto, as this one has only 4-lug hubs and no brakes....

The finished trailer won't be very heavy, under 2000 lbs I expect, but I'm putting a 3500# axle under it to be safe and also be able to add brakes (especially for off-road situations)..

The van has factory 6-lug alloy wheels as used on all 2003 and up Astros.and my idea was to use matching wheels and tires from the van to

a) Look cool
b) Carry a second spare for use on the trailer or van either one
c) Look cool

The issue is that if I get a trailer axle with 6 on 5.5 hubs, it will have 1/2" studs.... Factory studs are 14 mm, which is a bit bigger so would be a sloppier fit on the 1/2" studs.... Will this be OK? Or do I need to:

a) Get a 5-lug trailer axle and try to find adapters to go from 5on5 to 6on5.5 with correct size studs?
b) Put the setup together as is and try to find hubcentric rings so there is less stress on the lug nuts?
c) Try to find someone to press out the studs, drill them open a bit and press in 14mm studs (which sounds like too much effort)
c) Give up?
d) None of the above?

Thoughts?
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby The Drummer » April 7th 2020, 11:48pm

If there is any gm fwd that uses the same wheels maybe you could use the rear solid axle with the brakes and everything , or just the hubs ?? .
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby gavio [OP] » April 7th 2020, 11:53pm

If there is any gm fwd that uses the same wheels maybe you could use the rear solid axle with the brakes and everything


Interesting idea, but I'm unaware of such.... I suppose a possibility is a complete truck rearend, but it seems kind of cumbersome for such a small trailer....
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby Rod's Trucks » April 7th 2020, 11:59pm

Definitely having the same wheel bolt pattern, and preferably the same size tires, is a good idea!
If it was me, I would go for the "press out, drill and reinsert " option. I think it is the most direct solution, and probably the cheapest, depending on the machine shop.
I see not need to purchase any adapters. That just adds one more ( dozen) potential failure points....another dozen lug nuts to worry about, which are buried behind the wheel flange.
Pressing out studs is not difficult. If you have access to a press, you should be able to do that yourself.
Most any large tire shop can, and will, do it if they do much brake work. Stripped and/or broken wheel studs is a relatively common problem. ( New guy with the powerful impact wrench has to learn somehow)
Getting the old holes drilled for larger studs is not difficult. It just requires careful drilling to get them straight.
I would think any machine shop would be able to handle that with little concern. They would just need to know the manufacturers spec for new hole to fit the new press-in stud .
I do not think the whole operation would cost much more than a set of decent quality adapters, but any honest machine shop should be able to quote the cost ( you might have to take a drum/hub/rotor to them, so they can see what they will be needing to do, to get a detailed quote ).
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby The Drummer » April 8th 2020, 5:14am

From the internet : Bolt pattern 5x139.7
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby M_a_t_t » April 8th 2020, 6:32am

gavio wrote:The issue is that if I get a trailer axle with 6 on 5.5 hubs, it will have 1/2" studs.... Factory studs are 14 mm, which is a bit bigger so would be a sloppier fit on the 1/2" studs.... Will this be OK?


The taper of the lug nuts center the holes on the wheels so I would think it wouldn't matter. The lugnuts wouldn't be interchangeable, but that doesn't seem like it would be an issue.

If you go for replacing the studs I know several people who just use a heat and a BFH to knock the old one out.
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby gavio [OP] » April 8th 2020, 5:00pm

The taper of the lug nuts center the holes on the wheels so I would think it wouldn't matter.


I had started thinking that same thing.... Because aftermarket wheels aren't made for specific stud sizes - a 6-lug aftermarket rim will work on a Toyota (12mmm studs) and a GMC (14mm studs) without issue... Right?
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby markmitchmarkmitch is online! » April 8th 2020, 6:17pm

Yes, I Bought a tool from rockauto to install all new wheel studs on my rear axles. go into rockauto click on tools and universal parts and look for the tool. They have two different ones. Mine worked great.
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby Astrofarian » April 8th 2020, 6:46pm

"Tool" for removing/installing wheel studs? Did I miss a meeting or something? The only "Tool" I've ever used is stored in my hammer drawer.
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby Rod's Trucks » April 8th 2020, 7:26pm

But there was some discussion about installing 14MM studs. The BFH is not the correct tool for installing those, and certainly not until after the holes are drilled larger !!
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby Astrofarian » April 8th 2020, 8:23pm

Rod's Trucks wrote:But there was some discussion about installing 14MM studs. The BFH is not the correct tool for installing those, and certainly not until after the holes are drilled larger !!
Rod

Oh no, certainly NOT. All I meant was that in most scenarios, you only need the "3-Lb Bashometer" to remove or install studs. Definitely not the way to go when machining is indicated first. Thanks, Rod :clap:

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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby gavio [OP] » April 8th 2020, 9:17pm

I've done some looking into this, and it seems that it's not going to be easy to find someone to drill out and install the larger studs.... Liability and we don't have the tools and we just don'w wanna do it, and out of business elc.....

It seems that some folks have had success doing it themselves on various vehicles, but the drill size for the 14mm studs is .618 which pretty much doesn't exist.... So I think that option is out.....

Is there a 1/2" lug nut that will work with the later style GM alloy wheels?

Do I just ned to get aftermarket steel wheels that could presumably work on the trailer or the van? Which brings up a whole bunch of offset and spacing issues....

Gah, this seemed like such a simple idea.....
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby BirdshakeBirdshake is online! » April 8th 2020, 10:00pm

I got lug nuts off ebay to mount newer M14 alloy wheels onto an older G30. but that was 9/16 thread.

Quick search found this https://www.amazon.com/Lug-Nuts-style-E ... B009SDA75I those could work.
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby Astrofarian » April 8th 2020, 10:37pm

15.5 mm or 39/64" drills are as close as you're going to get to your Holy Grail .618" dia. BUT.....I have a question. Is the .618" diameter what's specified for TAPPING the hole to your ideal stud size or is that the specification for a press/interference fit? Seems kind of strange that someone gave you a spec for a twist-drill made of Unobtainium?
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby gavio [OP] » April 9th 2020, 12:24am

Quick search found this https://www.amazon.com/Lug-Nuts-style-E ... B009SDA75I those could work


I had been wondering if I could maybe just use those and call it good..... As long as they seat into the wheels (which they should since they are all 60 degree) then it seems like maybe they just tighten down normally and the extra slack really doesn't matter - I mean the holes that are already there are sloppy anyway to allow you to install and remove the wheel....


BUT.....I have a question. Is the .618" diameter what's specified for TAPPING the hole to your ideal stud size or is that the specification for a press/interference fit?


.618 is the diameter the hole should be for a proper press fit of the 14mm stud. As far as I can tell nobody makes a drill bit that color....
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby M_a_t_t » April 9th 2020, 1:47am

Rod's Trucks wrote:But there was some discussion about installing 14MM studs. The BFH is not the correct tool for installing those, and certainly not until after the holes are drilled larger !!
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BFH to knock the old ones out. No press needed.

gavio wrote:Is there a 1/2" lug nut that will work with the later style GM alloy wheels?


I think the only thing that matters is the taper angle of the lug nut seat and that the overall size is large enough that it doesn't go straight through the hole in the rim. I think the 90's silverado used 1/2" lug nuts, probably the same taper angle too.
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby 90safari » July 12th 2020, 4:08am

Rod's Trucks wrote:Definitely having the same wheel bolt pattern, and preferably the same size tires, is a good idea!
If it was me, I would go for the "press out, drill and reinsert " option. I think it is the most direct solution, and probably the cheapest, depending on the machine shop.
I see not need to purchase any adapters. That just adds one more ( dozen) potential failure points....another dozen lug nuts to worry about, which are buried behind the wheel flange.
Pressing out studs is not difficult. If you have access to a press, you should be able to do that yourself.
Most any large tire shop can, and will, do it if they do much brake work. Stripped and/or broken wheel studs is a relatively common problem. ( New guy with the powerful impact wrench has to learn somehow)
Getting the old holes drilled for larger studs is not difficult. It just requires careful drilling to get them straight.
I would think any machine shop would be able to handle that with little concern. They would just need to know the manufacturers spec for new hole to fit the new press-in stud .
I do not think the whole operation would cost much more than a set of decent quality adapters, but any honest machine shop should be able to quote the cost ( you might have to take a drum/hub/rotor to them, so they can see what they will be needing to do, to get a detailed quote ).
Let us know how it works out!

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Yup, or get proper fitting GM lug nuts from an 80's 4X4.But, if you're bound and determined to replace the lug studs, have a look thru the Dorman catalog, as they give sizes for the hole needed for the lug stud to seat properly, and engage into the hub flange. By doing a little searching, you might come up with a size that you can get a drill bit for.
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Re: 6-lug factory wheels for a trailer?

Postby MechBob » July 12th 2020, 1:39pm

I did something similar,years ago.What i found was,there are many standard lug nuts for 1/2" and lots of them have different size/dia tapered cones.I merely got some that had a wider cone.I think they were ford nuts.
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