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Can this...

Postby grond [OP] » July 11th 2013, 10:09pm

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...pull this?

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Re: Can this...

Postby SilverBullet1997 » July 11th 2013, 10:18pm

I would say yes, go for it.

But you may want to look in to upgrading with a transmission cooler. If you plan on towing it a lot or in hot areas or up and down steep grades..... On an 02, I think you may have 4 wheel disc brakes all around which is a plus(but maybe that wasn't till 03.... some one else will chime in on that...), but still even if you have rear drum brakes you would still be fine... Vans were made to tow 5000 lbs

You may also want to look in to putting air bag suspension in the rear, or helper springs...

That or install an Overland 4" lift and you will end up with heavy duty leaf springs in the rear and when you attach the trailer you won't even see any squat! Its awesome.....

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Re: Can this...

Postby chevymaher » July 11th 2013, 10:18pm

Chevy says it can.
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Re: Can this...

Postby grond [OP] » July 11th 2013, 10:31pm

I'll tell you what...I have only owned this van for 2 weeks and I already love it. There are a few things I NEED to do to it (like change the speed sensors), but there are more things I WANT to do to him (my kids named him Vanly...because he's such a manly van). :)

I have considered putting a lift on him, and 4" doesn't seem like it would be too high. I plan on putting in a tranny cooler...prolly going to be the next project after the speed sensors. After that it's the lift and bigger wheels and tires. I really like the look the older Z71 rims give the van.

I've never done a lift before...are they difficult to install? I also want to install a rear sway bar...would that be possible/advised with a lift?
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Re: Can this...

Postby SilverBullet1997 » July 11th 2013, 11:28pm

The lifts really aren't too difficult, me and 'thegreenmachine' tackled mine in 2 days, The only really difficult part are the torsion keys(still haven't done mine, just because we ran out of time as he had to get back to Canadia) they need a specialized tool. Plus we were drinking and doing other things at the same time, and did not get an early start either day, if you were to just sit down and do it, you could probably get it done in a day....

Bigger tires are next for me, and then maybe a rear sway bar... but really my back end is really nice and tight with the new HD springs, I don't really feel any roll from the rear, so I don't think it is necessary...

It definitely made towing so much nicer, not to be squatting. I hooked up one really heavy trailer and the hitch was damn near rubbing on the ground so I didn't tow it. Came back a week later after the lift put the trailer on, and it didn't even change the ride height....
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Re: Can this...

Postby thegreenmachine » July 12th 2013, 3:09am

the lift is pretty straight forward, minus the keys. if the 'murican boarder patrol would have not imposed a time limit, the keys would have been put in

totally worth it.

now, when you say "loaded", you mean its max gvw is 4000Lbs.?
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Re: Can this...

Postby grond [OP] » July 12th 2013, 3:22am

UVW - 4000lbs.
GVW - 5500lbs.
Hitch Weight - 515lbs.
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Re: Can this...

Postby Corsemoto » July 12th 2013, 3:43am

That is pushing it when you consider passengers, cargo and loaded trailer. Weight distribution hitch and trailer brakes/controller, good tires and suspension.

Silver, do you have the 3+1 leaf springs or the 4+1?
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Re: Can this...

Postby grond [OP] » July 12th 2013, 3:52am

Corsemoto wrote:That is pushing it when you consider passengers, cargo and loaded trailer. Weight distribution hitch and trailer brakes/controller, good tires and suspension.

Silver, do you have the 3+1 leaf springs or the 4+1?


Alright...now I'm confused. Are you saying that it's pushing it period, or that it's pushing it with my stock van and that I should be ok with a weight distribution hitch etc?
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Re: Can this...

Postby SilverBullet1997 » July 12th 2013, 4:25am

Corsemoto wrote:Silver, do you have the 3+1 leaf springs or the 4+1?


3+1 HD springs

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Re: Can this...

Postby Corsemoto » July 12th 2013, 5:00am

grond wrote:
Corsemoto wrote:That is pushing it when you consider passengers, cargo and loaded trailer. Weight distribution hitch and trailer brakes/controller, good tires and suspension.

Silver, do you have the 3+1 leaf springs or the 4+1?


Alright...now I'm confused. Are you saying that it's pushing it period, or that it's pushing it with my stock van and that I should be ok with a weight distribution hitch etc?


AWD tow rating is 5000lbs / 500 lb tongue weight with factory tow package. Best to check what hitch setup is on the van as some aftermarket hitches have significantly lower capacity even for Class III.

I wouldn't want to tow that trailer without above at minimum + the previously mentioned trans cooler and good trans fluid. Forum member on here Hank https://www.astrosafari.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=136, tows a pretty camper trailer, maybe PM him and get his thoughts too.
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Re: Can this...

Postby Corsemoto » July 12th 2013, 5:05am

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Corsemoto wrote:Silver, do you have the 3+1 leaf springs or the 4+1?


3+1 HD springs


If they are the 22-687 3+1 then they are most likely #1350 spring capacity, stock is #1410 so about the same load capacity though compared to fatigued, worn-out and sagged stock springs they are no doubt an improvement in load support. The 4+1 22-687HD are #1750 spring capacity for additional load support.
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Re: Can this...

Postby Hank » July 12th 2013, 2:31pm

Got your PM!

That trailer looks close in spec to mine. You can see my pics in my profile.

Couple of quick feedbacks looking at the comments:
Do NOT run that cold air intake mod. Run the factory air cleaner. I have the HPTuners data to prove it. This topic could take up an entire thread and has in the past.

Weight distribution hitch with anti-sway is a must. Make sure your ball angle is right when loaded. Mine was all screwed up.

Transmission cooler is a must. I got the biggest turbulator kind I could find. At the time etrailer was the cheapest. HPTuners shows me in the 180-190 when towing. Never close to 200.

I added the Hellwig rear sway bar which really helped a bunch with control.

Tires make a huge difference. The factory Michelin LTX were good, BFG AT's were awesome but noisy. I got convinced to buy some Falken SN211 touring tires, they STINK!! Sidewalls are too soft, I have to run a max tire pressure to get some stability back. Saving up to replace 1yr old tires.. I highly recommend stiff sidewall LT tires.

I had the overland 2" lift and ended up taking it off. I loved the hell out of the lift but the van was much more stable when towing 2" lower.

It is pretty flat here in FL and I have the lousy 3.42 gears and AWD. If I push it, I can run 70+ on the highway but get about 8mpg. If I back down to 65-68 I get about 10 mpg. With the lousy gears I kick down to 2nd on any decent hill or bridge but I still manage around the state. I would not go out of state unless I change gears to 3.73 or 4.10's. Been saying I'm going to change gears for the last 4 years and still haven't pulled the trigger. Remember with AWD it is 2x as much..

Unless you are boondocking, run with your tanks empty to save weight. Can save a few more pounds by going down to 1 LPG tank as well. I still run 2 tanks.

I'll post back as I think of more stuff I've run into. Also check out www.modmyrv.com I'm htgrimmi there. Not a lot of discussion activity but lots of good info.
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Re: Can this...

Postby grond [OP] » July 12th 2013, 4:23pm

How do I determine what gear ratio I have? I know that the 2002 AWD Astro had 2 different available...can I tell by VIN or is the info somewhere underneath?
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Re: Can this...

Postby SilverBullet1997 » July 12th 2013, 5:12pm

grond wrote:How do I determine what gear ratio I have? I know that the 2002 AWD Astro had 2 different available...can I tell by VIN or is the info somewhere underneath?


h2omelon wrote: in Re: Help choosing and swapping rear Diff.!

You can look in the passenger side front door and there will be a sticker with the RPO codes. GU6 is a 3.42, GT4 is a 3.73, GT5 is a 4.10, GU5 is a 3.23. Also if it has G80 on there it has a limited slip rear. Hope this helps.
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Re: Can this...

Postby grond [OP] » July 12th 2013, 5:34pm

So, according to my RPO codes, I have the 3.73 gear ratio. According to the owners manual:

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I still plan on beefing up the suspension and putting a tranny cooler in...is this still being risky?

BTW, the image is showing towing weight max.
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Re: Can this...

Postby Hank » July 12th 2013, 5:50pm

Lucky!!

How hilly is your towing country?

I think you will be in good shape.
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Postby grond [OP] » July 12th 2013, 6:18pm

Well, all the traveling I will be doing will be in my home state of Michigan. Not too hilly, but it has it's spots.

So, add the sway bar, WD hitch and anti sway, good tires (thinking about getting a set of tires for camping and a set for every day on separate rims so I can just swap them out at need), beef up the rear end (air shocks or helper springs??) and a tranny cooler.

Anything else other than trying to keep the weight of the trailer down?
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Postby Hank » July 12th 2013, 6:23pm

You probably don't need a second set of tires, just a good LT tire. The factory style Michelin LTX were just fine. The darn touring tires I got talked into stink even for non towing driving. Way too much sidewall flex.
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Re: Can this...

Postby grond [OP] » July 12th 2013, 7:40pm

I know that I don't necessarily need a second set of tires, but I'll still get them. I like me a smooth ride around town. ;)
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