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Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby CarpeDiem [OP] » August 16th 2019, 6:06am

Hello all!
I am a happy owner of a '96 Safari RWD (passenger, not cargo) that I purchased over 4 years ago for $1,500.
Despite the factory paint peeling, she looks pretty good and is eager to seek adventure any chance afforded. We have MANY wonderful memories in this stealth camper already and though it's a little rough around the edges, she's a metric buttload of fun to take anywhere!

Two years ago as we entered the quaint little town of Atchison, KS to celebrate the Amelia Earhart festival, we crossed a set of railroad tracks on 10th street. Yyyyeah.

Although following the posted speed limit, my wife an I found ourselves eating the dash/steering wheel and visiting the headrest alternatively. With mucho gusto.

At one point we were totally on the front wheels with the suspension completely maxed, then we took in the clouds while the rear wheels followed suit.

After a thorough check of the undercarriage and seeing nothing obviously broken, I pressed on. Ever since then, she pops and clanks. I have checked EVERYTHING I can imagine...no broken sway bar, bent A arm, sheared bolts on any thing like the crossmember or frame attachment points, ect. And I'm acquainted with her underside intimately after fixing an unfortunately placed blown brake line.

The sound happens when the van starts to experience negative G's and then pops again as it rests back down. It is a heavy metallic CLACK as if a ballpeen hammer was struck smartly on a prominent frame member, and can be felt by the passengers feet on the floor. So with the sound/knock emanating from the passenger side, I'm gravitating towards the possibility of something broken in the upper part of the shock tower. *I'm not entirely sure that 'shock tower' is the exact nomenclature so I digress.

She drives fine, and we've gotten used to the sound, but late at night when I'm coming home, (night shift worker) I'm certain my neighbors hear it because our drive flexes the suspension. Even so, the sound means something is broken and I just cannot figure out what it is.

In this wisdom rich environment, I'm hoping for some insight. I'd hate to have to disassemble an AC unit/heater core or whatever else you have to do to get to the top of the shock and find it's not the problem. Buuuut...

Anyone with something they can share, similar story, suggestions, I'm all ears buddy!
Thanks muchly!
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Re: Illusive *loud* clacking!

Postby Leeann_93 » August 17th 2019, 12:19am

Welcome!


The word is "elusive" - not "illusive" - by the way.
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Re: Illusive *loud* clacking!

Postby sixsix » August 17th 2019, 12:57am

Leeann_93 wrote:Welcome!


The word is "elusive" - not "illusive" - by the way.


'cept you will really be thinking illusive when you recheck that sway bar better/closeup.
( we did not see ours at first either... but we sure heard it )

Good Luck - keep us posted.
Oh... and Welcome from us too.




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Re: Illusive *loud* clacking!

Postby WoodButcher » August 17th 2019, 1:17am

Wouldn't that depend on what kind of hat he's wearing? Kinda like an optical delusion maybe? no, nono, we're after a sound.
But if he can pull a bunny from his hat, I'm getting sidetracked here,
Careful Greg, I think she is an English teacher, lol.
As for that sound I think the first way I would try to find it would be to put the nose up on jack stands w/ the suspension hanging. If you put them under the two front body mounts it will be stable enough to have a helper lift and move the tires around with a 2x4 or long bar while you watch and listen, not from underneath please. Might have lost a spring rubber, another possibility is a broken body mount or maybe the core support. When you jack the van watch the subframe as well, if the subframe moves independently from the body in any way you'll see it easy.
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Re: Illusive *loud* clacking!

Postby CarpeDiem [OP] » August 17th 2019, 2:08am

Dang it.
My first post and I already look like an idiot with the first keystroke! Brilliant.
Maybe I can talk to a mod about a tiny edit... :roll:

WoodButcher! Thank you, thank you! That's exactly why I came here. That is good solid advice and I appreciate your suggestion of body mounts for stand placement.
I'll let you guys know if I find any slack, play or perhaps an Eeeellusive problem.
I'm working on downloading some pics of my rig. I 've had a few vans, and my Safari is by far my favorite.

Cool site guys and thanks for the welcome!

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Re: Illusive *loud* clacking!

Postby Leeann_93 » August 17th 2019, 3:03am

CarpeDiem wrote:Dang it.
My first post and I already look like an idiot with the first keystroke! Brilliant.
Maybe I can talk to a mod about a tiny edit... :roll:

WoodButcher! Thank you, thank you! That's exactly why I came here. That is good solid advice and I appreciate your suggestion of body mounts for stand placement.
I'll let you guys know if I find any slack, play or perhaps an Eeeellusive problem.
I'm working on downloading some pics of my rig. I 've had a few vans, and my Safari is by far my favorite.

Cool site guys and thanks for the welcome!

CarpeDiem



I thought you were talking to a Mod :lol:


PS - nope, not an English teacher, just an English major ;)
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Re: Illusive *loud* clacking!

Postby CarpeDiem [OP] » August 17th 2019, 4:05am

Hmm, spring rubber. I'm wondering where the spring rubber is and is there more than one rubber per spring... :think:
Heya Leeann, help me out. Is there supposed to be a comma after the first 'is', or is the 'and' sufficient as it is?
Man, I used to have pretty fair grammar.
Not so much anymore. Meh~

So I'm guessing that the 'rubber' is on the ends of the springs? :shrug:
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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby dchan51360 » August 17th 2019, 4:13am

Welcome..

On top of the suggestion of wiggling or moving the wheels while up on jack stands,

Watch carefully for excess movement on the tie rods and control arms. It's possible that there is some extra play in the pivot points and joints there and when ever you extend the suspension enough they are "binding and popping" I just recently had this happening. Every time I rolled over a small speed bump or off a curb, CLUNK CLUNK.. but when weighted, I could go around corners stop start, etc never heard a thing.
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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby Leeann_93 » August 17th 2019, 4:17am

Not to worry: most people who post online can’t even separate thoughts into sentences with punctuation. Most people here are well above that, you included.

So: “I’m wondering where the spring rubber is and if there is more than one rubber per spring.”

See, if you write the second part as you have it, you should use a question mark. However, the first part of the sentence doesn’t require one. Think of it as similar to keeping the tense the same.

Otherwise, you could change it to:
“Where is the spring rubber and is there more than one rubber per spring?”

Last option, then I’m done pontificating: make the two thoughts into two sentences.
“Where is the spring rubber located? Is there more than one rubber per spring?”


That’s enough English teachin’ for the year :lol:
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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby CarpeDiem [OP] » August 17th 2019, 4:31am

Mike, I'll be certain to thoroughly recheck the sway. When I had it up on ramps I got a good visual as I felt along it's entirety and could discern no fracture. I'll have to snap some pics so you guys can set eyes on it.
Man, I know Topeka has some treacherous train tracks, but this set in Atchison was ridiculous. One hump had a huge concave trench 3 foot long and a good two inches deep from all the frame and oil pan impacts. Some single gouges were 3/4 in. deep.
They really needed to drop that speed limit to at least 10 mph. Or re-do the tracks!

I've taken my share of woop-de-do's, and that was the first time to endo.
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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby CarpeDiem [OP] » August 17th 2019, 4:47am

Leeann, thanks! That was cool of you. So basically it was a run on sentence, which once divided would make the latter half a query which in essence rendered the comma moot. Did I get that right? :bouncy:


PS. The Past, Present and Future walked into a bar.

It was tense...
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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby CarpeDiem [OP] » August 17th 2019, 5:26am

Dchan, good call on the tie rods and control arms.
Just because they looked ok to me doesn't mean they wont have any play.
And that totally makes sense that they wouldn't make a peep under load.
Thanks buddy.
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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby Leeann_93 » August 17th 2019, 4:12pm

CarpeDiem wrote:Leeann, thanks! That was cool of you. So basically it was a run on sentence, which once divided would make the latter half a query which in essence rendered the comma moot. Did I get that right? :bouncy:


PS. The Past, Present and Future walked into a bar.

It was tense...



Hey, I said I was done pontificating!

So the important part, and the part that applies to both thoughts in the sentence, is "I was wondering". Both thoughts have to make sense with that as the starter, then you can combine them in the same sentence.

Rather like people who say things like "Her and I are going...." Um, nope. Separate them: "She is going... I am going..." Therefore, it combines to "She and I are going..."

Now I am really done pontificating. I swear.




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Re: Illusive *loud* clacking!

Postby AstroWill » September 8th 2019, 4:58am

Leeann_93 wrote:PS - nope, not an English teacher, just an English major ;)




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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby Leeann_93 » September 8th 2019, 5:22am

I love Weird Al. His imagination is unsurpassed. That song’s a favorite :D
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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby markmitch » September 8th 2019, 6:30am

On top of each coil spring is a round piece of rubber kinda shaped like the top of the spring but I doubt you will see it its way up in the spring hole on the bottom of the coil spring there is also a piece of rubber it should look like a hose cut in half wrapped around the bottom of each spring. Also check the front chip bumper cover for damage, check the spring itself to see if it broke. You can also check to see if you broke a rubber frame mount which would make it loose and therefore make noise when hitting bumps. Let us know what you found and welcome to the forum, PaPa Mark
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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby Astro Pop » September 8th 2019, 6:40am

English is weird but it can be understood through tough thorough thought, though. Just sayin'....three times fast!!!
Another thing to check is the ball joints, just in case. They are also a loaded and unloaded item that takes a lot of stress. Not that I think it is, (coma correct?) but a critical item you don't want to fail while driving. :confused:
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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby sixsix » September 8th 2019, 7:17pm

What a Fun thread - Kudos again ( or for the 1st time ) go out to the OP.

Leeann - thanks again. As usual, Queen of all she oversees... Van / mechanic / orator / mods skills ...
- grammar specialist, the day job & it's associated skills, wife & husband teamwork, hospital patient.
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Astro Pop wrote:English is weird but it can be understood through tough thorough thought, though. ...

Easily the Best Post Sentence For Me All Year. So far - in 1st place for the BPSFMAY Award.

Kind of pronounced, "bips^fmay" ( sounded out like "splits^fmay" ).
This award was previously called, "it took us 10 min to work up the post".

And Pop, did you mean to misspell comma...? cuz'... that's funny in and of itself.



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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby AstroWill » September 9th 2019, 2:59am

Leeann_93 wrote:I love Weird Al. His imagination is unsurpassed. That song’s a favorite :D

Same here. :thumbup:

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Re: Elusive *loud* clacking!

Postby CarpeDiem [OP] » September 10th 2019, 1:34am

OH GOOD GRIEF!
You guys are wrecking me! :lol:
My tummy muscles are cramping!
Wow, between you'se guyz and Leeann, I'm in stitches.

I never post from home, but once AstroWill posted that vid, we had to play Weird Al on the big screen last night. Ended up on an Al binge.
We've seen almost all of his vids, but an hour later we were still finding new ones.
(you really need to know the song that he's parodying for it to be effective though.)

Hey, as far as the Safari is concerned, I should have some answers to my questions here shortly. Instead of buying new stands, I waited until this weekend to borrow my sons.
Just about to put a jack under her.
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