Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look good?

Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look good?

Postby tuscarora dave [OP] » February 6th 2011, 3:50am

I am looking into getting my 95 AWD Safari lifted 4 inches. If I bought the +3" coilsprings for the front and the +4" leaf spring and hanger kit for the rear How do I get the additional 1" of lift up front to make it 4"? Is this done by cranking the torsion bars, adding modified torsion bar keys or is there other parts that would need to be ordered? I want lift in the suspension only and do not want to install any body lifting pucks etc. What I am seeing that I would need from http://www.overlandvans.com is listed below. Am I missing anything?

Rancho RS5000/4 shocks
+4" HD spring pack ML9506-LS687HD
Standard Hanger Kit ML8595-GMSH
Shock relocation brackets ML-8506-SK-ReLoc
High lift torsion keys L-9006-HL KEYS

With this setup, would I get the 2degree or the 4degree pinon shims? Am I missing something or have I listed something that I won't need?
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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby doyoulikeithere » February 6th 2011, 3:57am

I gotta ask.
Befoe you go and spend all that money,
Have you ever even looked under your van before?
where do the coil springs go? Phuknidjit.
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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby tuscarora dave [OP] » February 6th 2011, 4:11am

doyoulikeithere wrote:I gotta ask.
Befoe you go and spend all that money,
Have you ever even looked under your van before?
where do the coil springs go? Phuknidjit.

Yeah I've been under there before. I've replaced the fuel pump, front&rear OEM shocks, complete exhaust, all new fuel lines, all new brake lines, brakes & rotors. I know a few things about cars and trucks but i have never installed a lift so I need some advice. Can you give me any? The coils are in the front.
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Postby Mr_Bowtie » February 6th 2011, 4:13am

You got a '95......better make sure you have the better torsion bars under that rig... :D
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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby Mr_Bowtie » February 6th 2011, 4:16am

tuscarora dave wrote:
doyoulikeithere wrote:I gotta ask.
Befoe you go and spend all that money,
Have you ever even looked under your van before?
where do the coil springs go? Phuknidjit.

Yeah I've been under there before. I've replaced the fuel pump, front&rear OEM shocks, complete exhaust, all new fuel lines, all new brake lines, brakes & rotors. I know a few things about cars and trucks but i have never installed a lift so I need some advice. Can you give me any? The coils are in the front.


DUDE if you got coil springs out front you don't have a AWD.........thats what the man is saying to you! :shrug:
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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby tuscarora dave [OP] » February 6th 2011, 4:26am

Mr_Bowtie wrote:DUDE if you got coil springs out front you don't have a AWD.........thats what the man is saying to you! :shrug:

Well maybe I have completely lost my mind here but I seem to recall a front driveshaft and coil springs with the shocks going right up the center of the coil springs. Hmmm. Maybe I'll get a quick photo of it.
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Postby Mr_Bowtie » February 6th 2011, 4:32am

You got torsion bars dude............(I say dude when I have had a few beers! :rofl: )
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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby tuscarora dave [OP] » February 6th 2011, 4:36am

tuscarora dave wrote:
Mr_Bowtie wrote:DUDE if you got coil springs out front you don't have a AWD.........thats what the man is saying to you! :shrug:

Well maybe I have completely lost my mind here but I seem to recall a front driveshaft and coil springs with the shocks going right up the center of the coil springs. Hmmm. Maybe I'll get a quick photo of it.

OK so I had temporarily lost my mind, So without any more name calling I'll simply cross the coils off the list and maybe you guys could share with me how to achieve 4" of lift in the front end of my AWD van.
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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby Mr_Bowtie » February 6th 2011, 4:55am

2" lift blocks & crank the torsion bars up. Can also get the torsion keys (which will give you more lift then the stock keys) from overlandvans.com or the new place that took over that place is called: http://www.boondoxmotorsports.com/astro_liftkits.html

Then shackles + better leafsprings out back will give you the 4" needed out back.

I think there is a budget lift through them for about $370 plus shipping + you need the front bumper relocation brackets.

Find out if you have the short or long torsion bars on your Van. The long ones are well long and stick out of their mounting place pointing towards the back of the Van. The differnce is 41" and I think 36" on the bars. The short bars are the good ones that don't give out. In mid '95 they changed them over to the short ones. A prevous owner could have changed them out too.

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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby Gary » February 6th 2011, 5:06am

Not being a AWD guy I have to go back and review the Overlands system.As I thought it is a combination of a body lift and cranking up the torsion bars/keys.Don't let the body lift part of that scare you either.They are at the lift level easy to do.All you do is loosen the body mount bolts and remove the body mounts one side at a time for the lift mounts.It is easy to do.The rear end is that same thing.A combination for the springs and shackles.I suggest you want to stick with a company like Overlands who has a long history of successful lift kits like they offer.If you have any other questions before you order,email Gerald.Might take sometime because as busy as he is,to get back to you,but he will.Better yet,call him.

Anything else I can do to help,just post.Looking forward to the lift thread on your build with pixs. :banana:
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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby Mr_Bowtie » February 6th 2011, 5:13am

Gary is Overlandvans still selling lifting kits or have they passed it all on to the new owners? :shrug:
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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby tuscarora dave [OP] » February 6th 2011, 5:16am

Mr_Bowtie wrote:2" lift blocks & crank the torsion bars up. Can also get the torsion keys (which will give you more lift then the stock keys) from overlandvans.com or the new place that took over that place is called: http://www.boondoxmotorsports.com/astro_liftkits.html

Then shackles + better leafsprings out back will give you the 4" needed out back.

I think there is a budget lift through them for about $370 plus shipping + you need the front bumper relocation brackets.

Find out if you have the short or long torsion bars on your Van. The long ones are well long and stick out of their mounting place pointing towards the back of the Van. The differnce is 41" and I think 36" on the bars. The short bars are the good ones that don't give out. In mid '95 they changed them over to the short ones. A prevous owner could have changed them out too.

:cheers:

I don't see a multi quote function so I would like to thank you Mr_Bowtie and Gary for the useful replies. I appreciate it.
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Postby Mr_Bowtie » February 6th 2011, 5:19am

No prob......its what we live for! Pics of your Van now and lifted would be awesome too when the time comes! I have plans to lift my '96, so I can't wait to see yours if you go through with it! :rockon:
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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby tuscarora dave [OP] » February 6th 2011, 5:33am

Mr_Bowtie wrote:Find out if you have the short or long torsion bars on your Van. The long ones are well long and stick out of their mounting place pointing towards the back of the Van. :cheers:

If it has the longer torsion bars, would you say it'd be safe to crank them up if they were new replacement units or are the new bars also known for breaking? I don't mind spending the money on my van to have the safest setup that I can have in a lifted van. Here's a few pics though not very good ones.

the day I got it for $500.
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Here's what I am planning for the body Partially done.
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Here's my current setup inside. It's a mobile detailing rig in the making.
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Postby Mr_Bowtie » February 6th 2011, 5:41am

I would spend the money on getting the short bars...........if they were replaced most likely they would have been replaced with the shorter ones. My old '92 had the newer shorter ones on it by the time I got it. I usually heard of them just giving out while the Vans are parked......my old '92 gave out on the owner over night while it was sitting.
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Postby Mr_Bowtie » February 6th 2011, 5:44am

Below is a link to a thread with a couple pics put up by another member of the difference in appearance of the long and short torsion bars. It should take you a quick second to see if you have the long one or short ones. Notice how the long ones stick way out of the mounting location.

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Postby tuscarora dave [OP] » February 6th 2011, 5:54am

Mr_Bowtie wrote:Below is a link to a thread with a couple pics put up by another member of the difference in appearance of the long and short torsion bars. It should take you a quick second to see if you have the long one or short ones. Notice how the long ones stick way out of the mounting location.

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My van Definitely has the long ones, I remember seeing them as I was positioning my new exhaust up into place. So they can be replaced with the shorter bars huh? I take it that takes some cutting and welding to do.?.. Thanks for all the help.
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Postby offroad safari » February 6th 2011, 6:00am

tuscarora dave wrote: OK so I had temporarily lost my mind, So without any more name calling I'll simply cross the coils off the list and maybe you guys could share with me how to achieve 4" of lift in the front end of my AWD van.


I've had days and weeks like this HAHAHA, I'm glad it was still as simple as crossing it off the list.

I live in bethlehem,pa... im not sure where etter's is, but maybe you want to take a look at my van to see what you are getting yourself into.
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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby offroad safari » February 6th 2011, 6:09am

tuscarora dave wrote:My van Definitely has the long ones, I remember seeing them as I was positioning my new exhaust up into place. So they can be replaced with the shorter bars huh? I take it that takes some cutting and welding to do.?.. Thanks for all the help.


welding, no
cutting, maybe

I cut one of my torsion bars in half bc I couldnt get the key out and the other end was stuck in the lower control arm. It was nothing a BFH, PB Blaste,r and a torch couldn't handle once I had the crossmember and the lower control arm out of the van.
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Re: Please review my parts list for +4" lift parts, look goo

Postby tuscarora dave [OP] » February 6th 2011, 6:24am

offroad safari wrote:
tuscarora dave wrote: OK so I had temporarily lost my mind, So without any more name calling I'll simply cross the coils off the list and maybe you guys could share with me how to achieve 4" of lift in the front end of my AWD van.


I've had days and weeks like this HAHAHA, I'm glad it was still as simple as crossing it off the list.

I live in bethlehem,pa... im not sure where etter's is, but maybe you want to take a look at my van to see what you are getting yourself into.

Thanks for the reply. Etters is between Harrisburg and York along I-83. After shoveling out the snow in my driveway and my mothers driveway I had got to thinking about putting a snow plow on the front of this van just to do our driveways in the winter and was thinking that there may not be sufficient ground clearance for a plow mount hence the suspension lift kit Idea. After reading around this site I'm thinking maybe just get a truck instead of dumping a bunch more money into a 95 Safari. Nice van by the way. :thumbup:
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