Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby dramey » December 2nd 2016, 5:03am

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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby ormoto [OP] » February 28th 2017, 4:10am

I'm gonna have a friends shop tackle all those bushings everyone mentioned...

The shop owes me 10 hours of labor cause i hooked up them up with a snowmobile for winter to get around

so i'm thinking of having them do all these at the same time cause i hear lifted astro such as mine 3 in lift on 30's will
wear out ball joints so i might just be preventative !

What are you thoughts on this bushing kit and ball joint kits

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-14pc-Comple ... E~&vxp=mtr

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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby 97cargocrawler » February 28th 2017, 9:28am

I would steer clear of any front end components that are not MOOG. That ebay kit is made by?
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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby Rinny » February 28th 2017, 11:50am

You can buy moog upper and lower control arms with the bushings and ball joints in them from rock auto for less than you can buy the bushings and ball joints. They look pretty too!!
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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby zzimmer3 » February 28th 2017, 1:40pm

The price is very tempting on that eBay kit. But I also am a huge Moog supporter. Back in the old days when I worked at a little shop, that's the only brand we tried to use. And like Rinny said, there are control arms available with Moog bushings and ball joints already installed available on the Rock auto. Good luck.
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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby ormoto [OP] » March 1st 2017, 1:56am

Anyone ever seen a complete moog suspension kit? They seem to only have everything individually
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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

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ormoto wrote:Anyone ever seen a complete moog suspension kit? They seem to only have everything individually


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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby ormoto [OP] » March 2nd 2017, 5:21pm

Do you mind if you share that part list cargocrawler.

I tried to sort all the parts I would need last night and about had a mental breakdown trying to figure out all I would need for the job
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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby 97cargocrawler » March 2nd 2017, 5:50pm

ormoto wrote:Do you mind if you share that part list cargocrawler.

I tried to sort all the parts I would need last night and about had a mental breakdown trying to figure out all I would need for the job


I wish I could help, all that junk you see there is for a RWD van. All of your parts will be different.
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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby Corsemoto » March 2nd 2017, 8:21pm

ormoto wrote:Do you mind if you share that part list cargocrawler.

I tried to sort all the parts I would need last night and about had a mental breakdown trying to figure out all I would need for the job


Plenty of threads here have covered rebuilding AWD front ends <search>

Go here for suspension and steering diagrams and parts list:

http://www.wholesalegmpartsonline.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=434244&ukey_make=1024&ukey_model=14478&modelYear=2001&ukey_category=19483

[url]http://www.wholesalegmpartsonline.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=434241&ukey_make=1024&ukey_model=14478&modelYear=2001&ukey_category=19483/url]

Then go to Rock Auto since they have a pretty good listing of sub categories for suspension and steering parts for your Year/Make/Model.

Better for you if you put a list together and post it here, then we get to tell you what we think.
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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby Rinny » March 3rd 2017, 1:59pm

ormoto wrote:Do you mind if you share that part list cargocrawler.

I tried to sort all the parts I would need last night and about had a mental breakdown trying to figure out all I would need for the job

Did you check out the upper and lower control arms form rock auto?
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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby Lumpy » March 3rd 2017, 4:33pm

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I tried to sort all the parts I would need last night and about had a mental breakdown trying to figure out all I would need for the job


If that's genuinely the case, I recommend not taking on a project with such a critical application. Pay someone else to do it.

It's not rocket science. Look at the diagrams, look up each of the parts. Look at the pics of all the jobs that have been done here. Don't proceed till you've become a micro-expert in what you're about to do. There's only a handful of parts and they're all direct replacements. Hold one in your hand and envision where it goes and what it does when your van moves forward-up-down.

Refusing to allow yourself to simply understand the job before doing it is pretty non-productive, frustrating and dangerous.


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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby Rinny » March 3rd 2017, 7:43pm

Lumpy wrote:
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I tried to sort all the parts I would need last night and about had a mental breakdown trying to figure out all I would need for the job


If that's genuinely the case, I recommend not taking on a project with such a critical application. Pay someone else to do it.

It's not rocket science. Look at the diagrams, look up each of the parts. Look at the pics of all the jobs that have been done here. Don't proceed till you've become a micro-expert in what you're about to do. There's only a handful of parts and they're all direct replacements. Hold one in your hand and envision where it goes and what it does when your van moves forward-up-down.

Refusing to allow yourself to simply understand the job before doing it is pretty non-productive, frustrating and dangerous.


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Good advise Lumpy.. Sometimes you have a basic understanding of what you are going to do and you proceed with caution as you research, (this site is a great resource for that approach). If you do not have the tools and do not have a basic understanding of what you are going to do your heading for trouble and quite possibly can get hurt. If you purchase the control arms and have a decent mechanic it is not that bad of a job.
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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby ormoto [OP] » March 3rd 2017, 8:59pm

My simple confusions comes from how many different posts have most replacing half the parts and calling it a total front end rebuild. So far i'm at 600 just in parts and planned on having a shop do the labor. Noticed some differential bushings worn out as well but doesn't look like moog makes em. See anything i missed ?

Moog K6329 Control Arm Bushing Kit
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Moog K6437 Sway Bar Bushing Kit
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MOOG RK620719 Control Arm with Ball Joint
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Moog K80631 Stabilizer Bar Link Kit
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Moog K6291 Ball Joint
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Moog ES3254RL Tie Rod End
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Moog ES2838RL Tie Rod End
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Moog ES2004S Tie Rod End Adjusting Sleeve
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Moog K6392T Idler Arm
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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby AstroWill » March 3rd 2017, 9:57pm

Why not inspect what you have and only replace the worn parts?

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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby ormoto [OP] » March 3rd 2017, 11:11pm

Rigs got 180k and driven hard. Lots of the bushings are starting to show cracks and small bend on one of the idler arms. Would rather just get everything replaced so i know there are no weak links and end up stranded.
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Re: Bad Bushings ? Common Lifted Astro Noises ?

Postby Lumpy » March 3rd 2017, 11:55pm

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...See anything i missed ?



The only way I could comment on your list of parts would be if I had your van in front of me and I knew what each of those parts were and what they did on your van.

That's your part in this.

Get under there and look, clean, touch each part. If you can't name it and describe how it functions "When the wheel hits a bump, this thing goes UP" then look it up and discover it's name and function.

Then once you know "I'm going to replace the upper inside downtrailer link bracket" you go look at the parts sources (Summit, Amazon, LAPS, whatever) and decide which brand/color/options, price, shipping etc.

On Shop Doing the Labor -

Lots of technicians don't care much for clients bringing their own parts and asking for install. Probably voids any warranty from either the mfg or the installer. PLUS - If there's any kind of lift or other modifications done to the van and sometimes if it's simply stock but old (like all of ours are) the technician doing the work will have to learn what to do in real time, just as you would. He's got a couple more tools and remembers "Righty Tighty Lefty Loosey" without thinking. But he's not using any super skills that YOU don't have.

Whether you do the work or someone else does the work, I really recommend you understand what the parts do. If you break down somewhere and you've got "This part that I really don't understand that was installed by some other guy back home" that can be pretty novictatious.


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