Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby loopie [OP] » March 13th 2011, 11:07am

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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby Mr_Bowtie » March 13th 2011, 7:55pm

Now I just wanna see them installed! :rockon:
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby kornphlake » March 13th 2011, 10:30pm

Those sure are pretty welds, it looks like you 1/2 way know what you're doing :clap:
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby loopie [OP] » March 13th 2011, 11:09pm

kornphlake wrote:Those sure are pretty welds, it looks like you 1/2 way know what you're doing :clap:

I can take full credit for the design, hole cutting and finishing...but the welding respect goes to my friend Dale Neste at BajaNorth http://www.bajanorth.ca/ ONLY with his experience and support would I dare offer this bracket for public sale! 8-)

Lesson learned number one about labour...make the drive out to the shop with a drill press in it when needing twelve 5/8" holes in steel!!! :whack:
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby loopie [OP] » April 14th 2011, 7:04am

Had to beef up the bracket substantially.
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby shiftpro » April 17th 2011, 7:17pm

Wow that's a lot more beef. Did you notice the brackets were flexing? Or did one flat fail as you went around a corner? Just wondering what
caused the concern. I would think adding the gussets would have been enough to prevent flex.

And while were here, why are you designing these to move the wheel back? You mentioned in another post that you were building these
traction bar/anti spring wrap/lift blocks that also moved the axle back. Is that just to give that little extra tire clearance from the front
fender opening?

Thanks Looper and hope you get everything dialed soon.
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby loopie [OP] » April 17th 2011, 9:44pm

ver1.0 was just my bad...made the tolerance too exact over the spring...couldn't get it down the last inch or so.

ver2.0...the 1/4" and no brace flexed more than I liked while getting the U-bolts to torque spec. While it probably never would have actually broke, I definitely didn't like it and I'm sure someone who payed good money for them wouldn't have been happy either.
So 3/8's and a brace it is :shock:

Yes, the axle is moved back 3/8's of an inch

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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby BigAl » May 3rd 2011, 3:33am

Those look really interesting, do you have any pics under the vehicle?
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby loopie [OP] » May 3rd 2011, 5:39am

Ya...I took a bunch-O-pics during the install...they'll be up soon
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby icebrrg3rd » May 3rd 2011, 5:15pm

So.......what is the price point on those, and when is backcountryvans.com taking orders?

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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby drmmhmd » July 4th 2011, 2:52am

Those welds look very bad with poor penetration. Hard to believe that a person who works at an off-road shop made them. He should not be welding. "Pretty" is not penetration. Structural steel, i.e., the angle iron that he used, should never be used for what it was not designed for. The design of that open three sided box will fail. Hard to believe that he even entertained using 1/4 inch plate.

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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby loopie [OP] » July 5th 2011, 6:36am

Thx Drmmhmd...but just to be clear, these are far from just some guys that work in a shop. Aside from any of the usual fabrication experience they have (35-40yrs combined I'd say)...they also build top shelf offroad race trucks from scratch. Like Baja1000 entrants kinda quality.
I first talked to an engineer about the design and he gave the ok for welds in shear. Next is the welder....and if Dale has welded something...it ain't never coming apart 8-)
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby drmmhmd » July 6th 2011, 5:51am

holes should be drilled so that the margin to the edge is equal or greater than the diameter of the drilled hole.

angle iron is an inappropriate choice for a load bearing component
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby drmmhmd » July 6th 2011, 5:58am

loopie wrote:Thx Drmmhmd...but just to be clear, these are far from just some guys that work in a shop. Aside from any of the usual fabrication experience they have (35-40yrs combined I'd say)...they also build top shelf offroad race trucks from scratch. Like Baja1000 entrants kinda quality.
I first talked to an engineer about the design and he gave the ok for welds in shear. Next is the welder....and if Dale has welded something...it ain't never coming apart 8-)


okay, submit the part that he built for xray and bent coupons, just because someone does something for a long time does not mean that they are good at it. It is okay to use angle iron for your backyard grass clippings trailer but not for car components. I would question if the engineer was advising in his field of study. the fact that the top plate was suspended between the angle iron sides rests any question as to whether the designer, welder, knew what they were doing. those welds are terrible, they look like TIG spot welds if there is such a thing, which there is not.
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby vangogo » July 6th 2011, 9:22pm

Im looking forward to someone providing a product like this soon, Im sure any input and constructive criticism will only improve the quality. My van rides pretty nice, I dont want to swap springs and firm up my ride, just want an upgrade to reduce the axle wrap from the 3" blocks Im currently using.
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby speedy57 » July 6th 2011, 9:31pm

:clap: Great Post & Can't Wait 2 C Pics :bouncy:
If it's Older than Dirt I can work on it :)
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby shiftpro » July 7th 2011, 7:51pm

Don't worry about mr drmmmhmmhm's comments there is nothing wrong with those welds and I'm waiting for a availability and a price
so keep it at Loopie!
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Re: Sneak Peak at a 2.5" Astro/Safari lift

Postby cowboydan » July 9th 2011, 2:59am

drmmhmd wrote:Those welds look very bad with poor penetration. Hard to believe that a person who works at an off-road shop made them. He should not be welding. "Pretty" is not penetration. Structural steel, i.e., the angle iron that he used, should never be used for what it was not designed for. The design of that open three sided box will fail. Hard to believe that he even entertained using 1/4 inch plate.

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i'm not a welder, so what does a good weld look like?

in the pics loopi provided, the steel used looks like square tubing with angle iron reenforced with plate steel. it also looks like 3/8 to me. it's heavy but that's all.
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Postby cowboydan » July 9th 2011, 3:17am

vangogo wrote:Im looking forward to someone providing a product like this soon, Im sure any input and constructive criticism will only improve the quality. My van rides pretty nice, I dont want to swap springs and firm up my ride, just want an upgrade to reduce the axle wrap from the 3" blocks Im currently using.
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you need a slapper assembly! aka traction bar. it's small but you should be able to see what it is. this is not my van frame... my van has no frame. this is/ was my broco 5" block n slapper.
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Postby vangogo » July 27th 2011, 12:49am

That looks like the same basic concept, Ive used traction bars in the past and they do work great. =) I found a new problem with the block set up im using...Astros do not have much clearance between the leafsprings and the frame, the plate I used for mounting the u-bolts is too wide and it hits the frame. Ive tried trimming the corners and pushing the plate outward as much as possible...I did gain another 1/4 of clearance, but this mounting system does not work on Astros...(yup, wasted my money there.) The factory cradle positions the bolts below the springs for a reason.

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