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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Astrodawn [OP] » March 19th 2017, 9:03pm

Walmart sucks. I bought a sort-of-chisel (probably made for wood), and it bends when I try to use it.

But at least I got food and a sledge hammer...:/
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Astrodawn [OP] » March 19th 2017, 9:05pm

I'm trying to punch it out.

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Should I be using a punch that is the size of the hole or a smaller one?
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby zach914v8 » March 19th 2017, 10:17pm

Smaller than the hole, but big enough to take a beating... now you just have to pound the guts out of it till it pushes out.
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby zach914v8 » March 19th 2017, 10:31pm

As rusty as your van is, rust may be keeping that rivet stuck. Hammer away, wd-40 a bit. I dont know if you have a pry bar, sometime you can wedge one in between the BJ and control arm and pry it apart.
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Astrodawn [OP] » March 19th 2017, 11:29pm

zach914v8 wrote:now you just have to pound the guts out of it till it pushes out.


i should've started lifting weights months ago to prepare for this. i'm so done.

zach914v8 wrote:I dont know if you have a pry bar, sometime you can wedge one in between the BJ and control arm and pry it apart.


i tried the pry bar thing that's attached to the end of my jack, and it just bent it. lol.
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby zach914v8 » March 19th 2017, 11:40pm

Sears sells a great red handle pry bar set, very good I keep a set at home for crap like this. Harbor freight pry bars bend and suck as well, so dont go there. Your very close, dont give up. Those rivets sould push out at some point. Too bad you dont have an air compressor and air chisel with a punch point, you'd be done with these things in seconds. Now it comes down to brut force and patience.
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Rockridge » March 19th 2017, 11:47pm

just did mine last weekend. Could not punch them out until I drilled them. Started with a 1/8" bit then stepped up a couple of times to 1/4" or so. After that they came out pretty easy.
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Big_kid » March 20th 2017, 12:23am

It's been a long time since I separated a ball joint on an Astro- is it necessary to chain the spring?
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Lumpy » March 20th 2017, 12:32am

Big_kid wrote:It's been a long time since I separated a ball joint on an Astro- is it necessary to chain the spring?


I always do.

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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Leeann_93 » March 20th 2017, 12:36am

Big_kid wrote:It's been a long time since I separated a ball joint on an Astro- is it necessary to chain the spring?


She's got an AWD. No coil spring.
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Big_kid » March 20th 2017, 12:38am

Chatting with CopperFiremist, he asked if it was 2WD or AWD. Her profile says AWD, so rather than a coil spring it would have the torsion bars.

edit: I missed the AWD in her van info (THANK YOU for filling that in!). I KNEW nobody would have missed chaining the spring were it necessary. (or even suggested tacking the job)
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Lumpy » March 20th 2017, 12:40am

Geez, I need some SimpleGreen on my own grease goobers.


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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Big_kid » March 20th 2017, 12:43am

I've not done a lot of ball joints, but the ones I did I chained through the control arms to keep the spring from getting out. I've heard horror stories about them.
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby chevymaher » March 20th 2017, 12:46am

I told her to put the vans frame on a jackstand with the tire lightly touching. So nothing would move when it came loose.
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Big_kid » March 20th 2017, 12:48am

I was confident you had it handled, I missed the AWD part. I also figured if anyone in a similar circumstance with a 2WD ever uses this thread for reference, they should know to chain it.
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Astrodawn [OP] » March 20th 2017, 1:39am

This suuuuuuucks

There isn't even any room to hammer in these wheel wells.

I think I said all of this before. I've reached the state of complaining where you just repeat things until you feel better.

I can't see any movement on these rivets. And I'm worried I'm breaking something else with all the force I'm applying.
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Lumpy » March 20th 2017, 1:45am

It's moving, even though you can't see it. The surfaces that are binding each other are microscopic. Oil, repeated hits/vibration all break the thing free. Just plain hitting it modestly over and over again is a pretty good technique.

When it does break loose you can "reverse cuss". That's like "WTF was such a problem that THAT couldn't come loose?"


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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby chevymaher » March 20th 2017, 1:53am

Astrodawn wrote:This suuuuuuucks

There isn't even any room to hammer in these wheel wells.

I think I said all of this before. I've reached the state of complaining where you just repeat things until you feel better.

I can't see any movement on these rivets. And I'm worried I'm breaking something else with all the force I'm applying.

Your not going to hurt anything. If you saw me beat on things you wold realize you can't possible hit it hard enough to hurt it.

Main thing is the punch smaller then the open holes behind the one your doing. Punch actually has to fit or your hitting the hardened metal of the ball joint.

The other thing is the bit your using is bigger than that hole. Remember I told you to start smaller and showed you a bit that was a good starting point. Then work your way up.
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Re: Replacing Upper Ball Joint: what am I doing wrong?

Postby Astrodawn [OP] » March 20th 2017, 1:56am

chevymaher wrote:Main thing is the punch smaller then the open holes behind the one your doing. Punch actually has to fit or your hitting the hardened metal of the ball joint.


yup, i'm using a 1/4" i think.

chevymaher wrote:The other thing is the bit your using is bigger than that hole. Remember I told you to start smaller and showed you a bit that was a good starting point. Then work your way up.


wait, am i supposed to keep drilling? /confused
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