My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby castlerox [OP] » June 22nd 2013, 11:03pm

Hey all.

I just had the pleasure of test driving my newly acquired 2000 AWD. It's pretty dang nice.

I put on 4 new tires and took her for a spin...

Coming from the Vanagon world, this astro seems SUPER DUPER drifty. I understand it is pretty high profile but I was all over the road from wind and Semi's and grooves in the road. I felt afraid. Winding around at 70 felt plain deadly. Is this normal for an Astro or is an upgraded suspension going to help?

I don't know much about suspension upgrades at all. There will be a 2" lift (OVL) in the future but I would rather spend dollars where they count most at the moment - which is a stable stable ride on the Freeway.

Any thoughts to get her stabilized.
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby deleteitall » June 22nd 2013, 11:18pm

What tires and psi are you running?
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby castlerox [OP] » June 22nd 2013, 11:22pm

Hi!

Kumho Solus K21's 235/70/r15

PSI - Hmmmm.....
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby Sailing_Faith » June 22nd 2013, 11:28pm

A through check of the front suspension is in order. One bad pitman arm can make the vans drift a bit, a few loose bits working together might make quite unruley.
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby deleteitall » June 22nd 2013, 11:29pm

Those are 44 psi max - try setting them to 44 psi and see what that does. The shop probably set them to under 35 psi or lower since that is what the GM door placard states. I run my tires at 44 psi and it helped a lot with sway and handling.
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby Corsemoto » June 22nd 2013, 11:31pm

LT tires with stiffer carcass help, so do high quality shocks. If you're going to do a 2" lift at some point, stock length shocks are fine for that amount of lift. I say it a lot but Bilstein HD are pretty amazing on these vans but making sure all the other suspensions and steering components are in good condition along with alignment are critical as well. Moog idler arms and sway bar mounts and link end bushings are a nice upgrade to worn parts. It's likely the torsion bars and leaf springs have sagged as well. Torsion bars could probably use a bit of adjustment to adjust and level ride height. Hellwig makes a rear sway bar kit that would also help with stability.

With those items sorted out, I think you'd be amazed at how much of a difference they make and contribute to a more planted and stable feeling van.
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby Leeann_93 » June 23rd 2013, 12:49am

^ beaten to it again.
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby Corsemoto » June 23rd 2013, 1:02am

Lol, sorry! :oops:
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby Leeann_93 » June 23rd 2013, 1:12am

Corsemoto wrote:Lol, sorry! :oops:


No you're not :lol:
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby spree001 » June 23rd 2013, 2:06am

Spree001 here. I just put on Michelin LTX M/S2 tires yesterday with no problems. They are 235/75/15's. Ride and handling greatly improved. I tried to make them rub but couldn't. Just thought I'd put it out there Oh, It's my 2000 passenger astro with 36211 miles on it . The tires I took off were the original tires when sold new..
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby Big_kid » June 23rd 2013, 5:31am

I replaced the shocks on mine, it helped some. Putting LT tires on it made a world of difference though. The "wet sponge" feeling in turns went away, as did most of the body roll. (Genera lGrabber AT2, I run 44PSI in them)
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby castlerox [OP] » June 23rd 2013, 7:19am

Damn... my gut was telling me I was buying the wrong tires....
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby crgastro » June 23rd 2013, 7:54am

i had those tires they were on my Outback for 20k miles they were half worn down and there is an on ramp to i-205 in Vancouver Washington that i could take in my outback and could get the whole car sideways on a stock non turbo 1998 Subaru Outback with 200k miles on it. i did not buy them again.
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby Leeann_93 » June 23rd 2013, 3:38pm

I took off almost brand new Michelin P-rated tires and put on Firestone Destination LE2 LT-rated tires. Made a huge difference in the wallowy feel of the van. I also run them at 39 psi instead of the 35 on the door sticker.
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby RECox286 » June 23rd 2013, 3:50pm

Khumo is COO China, and I had to run 38 psi when I unknowingly said OK to a set all around. I prefer any

Mitchelin as they seem to be a more stiff sidewall and you can run them at sticker recommended pressure to

get a decent ride. I simply refuse to put Khumo tires on the truck any more. (Personal preference.)

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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby Leeann_93 » June 23rd 2013, 4:00pm

I hate Kumho tires personally, too. But the Michelins that came on the '02 had a max pressure of 34 (!) psi...that wasn't working for me.

I've been very happy with the Firestones on my '99 and on my '02.
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby Corsemoto » June 23rd 2013, 7:38pm

Leeann_93 wrote:
Corsemoto wrote:Lol, sorry! :oops:


No you're not :lol:


You got me! :doh: :lol:
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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby RECox286 » June 23rd 2013, 9:41pm

Fight nice ! Else I'll stop the truck and put you both out...


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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

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RECox286 wrote:Fight nice ! Else I'll stop the truck and put you both out...


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Re: My new 2000 AWD - wow, drifty! Will shocks help?

Postby castlerox [OP] » June 23rd 2013, 10:14pm

I am going to head to Discount tire tomorrow and see if they can help me out with a swap... Hoping that my 10 years with them will help my case in a swap out. the manager DID manage to talk me into the Kumho's even though I was questioning the ply/rating.

I also just poked my head underneath and noticed the 2 front shocks are mismatched. Is that a big deal?
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