1st time start

1st time start

Postby Fatjoe216 [OP] » October 8th 2009, 4:32am

Ok today i primed the oil pump(rotated engine by hand 90 degrees so oil can get all over) I did turn the starter for a few seconds . Tomorrow i will start her up. Now my question is do you have to upgrade the V6 starter? This one sounds like its struggling to turn the motor. Although it was stiff to turn by hand. But i was able to turn it. And my battery has been sitting for a while. Moment of truth tomorrow! :chevy: :layrubber:
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Re: 1st time start

Postby johnny-77 » October 8th 2009, 4:54am

Even though the 350 starter and the 4.3 starter have the same nose cone the V8 starter has a heaver duty motor on it. Just be sure that you're making a good connection at the starter. The V6 starter will usually work just fine for a stock 350.
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Bertscova » October 8th 2009, 5:35am

johnny-77 wrote:Even though the 350 starter and the 4.3 starter have the same nose cone the V8 starter has a heaver duty motor on it. Just be sure that you're making a good connection at the starter. The V6 starter will usually work just fine for a stock 350.



The starters are the same between the V6 and the V8. goto the napa web site http://www.napa.com and look them up they are the same part #2465022. you might need a higher cranking amp battery. I got a 800cca battery from napa in Oviedo for $89.

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CHEVROLET FORWARD CONTROL 82 8-350 (5.7L), drum rear brakes
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CHEVROLET FORWARD CONTROL 82-93 8-454 (7.4L)
CHEVROLET FORWARD CONTROL 83 8-350 (5.7L), drum rear brakes, 20 ser
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CHEVROLET FORWARD CONTROL 91-93 8-350 (5.7L)
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CHEVROLET VAN 94 8-454 (7.4L), ID 10455343
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CHEVROLET 1500 PICKUP 88-93 8-350 (5.7L)
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CHEVROLET 1500 PICKUP 92 8-305 (5.0L), 120 amp alt
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CHEVROLET 20 PICKUP 82-88 6-292 (4.8L)
CHEVROLET 20 PICKUP 82-88 8-350 (5.7L)
CHEVROLET 20 PICKUP 82-88 8-454 (7.4L)
CHEVROLET 20 PICKUP 84-85 8-305 (5.0L), 4x4, AT
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CHEVROLET 2500 PICKUP 88-93 8-350 (5.7L)
CHEVROLET 2500 PICKUP 89 8-454 (7.4L)
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CHEVROLET 2500 PICKUP 92 8-305 (5.0L), 120 amp alt
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CHEVROLET 2500 PICKUP 94 8-454 (7.4L), ID 10455343
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CHEVROLET 30 PICKUP 82-88 8-350 (5.7L)
CHEVROLET 30 PICKUP 82-88 8-454 (7.4L)
CHEVROLET 3500 PICKUP 88-93 8-350 (5.7L)
CHEVROLET 3500 PICKUP 88-93 8-454 (7.4L)
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GMC VAN 91-93 8-350 (5.7L)
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GMC VAN 94 8-350 (5.7L), ID 10455305
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Fatjoe216 [OP] » October 8th 2009, 5:15pm

Hey bert was your engine slow to turn over even though it was a fresh rebuild? I can hear the spark in the distributor also when it turns. I havent connected the fuel pump fuse yet. Just want to make sure everything is alright before i do. :chevy:
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Bertscova » October 8th 2009, 9:31pm

It was tight to turn it by hand. But when I started it for the first time it turned like normal I didn't notice any drag. But remember I had a new starter with a 800 cca New battery and stock 8.5-1 compression ratio. That will make a difference. How old it your starter and battery, and what is the cca (cold cranking amps) of the battery ? Do you know what your comression ratio is ?
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Fatjoe216 [OP] » October 8th 2009, 11:55pm

Bertscova wrote:It was tight to turn it by hand. But when I started it for the first time it turned like normal I didn't notice any drag. But remember I had a new starter with a 800 cca New battery and stock 8.5-1 compression ratio. That will make a difference. How old it your starter and battery, and what is the cca (cold cranking amps) of the battery ? Do you know what your comression ratio is ?


The starter is about 3 yrs old. Battery is 700 cca. Not quite sure of compression ratio. Everything is bone stock no add ons.Prob the same as your's.
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Re: 1st time start

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Bertscova wrote:It was tight to turn it by hand. But when I started it for the first time it turned like normal I didn't notice any drag. But remember I had a new starter with a 800 cca New battery and stock 8.5-1 compression ratio. That will make a difference. How old it your starter and battery, and what is the cca (cold cranking amps) of the battery ? Do you know what your comression ratio is ?


The starter is about 3 yrs old. Battery is 700 cca. Not quite sure of compression ratio. Everything is bone stock no add ons.Prob the same as your's.


Well i hooked everything up this evening and still the engine still drags! I got under and looked at the starter and noticed it was still engaged. So i went and bought some shims and that problem is fixed but the engine still drags when turning. The starter whines as it turns. The bottom end is all by the book as far as torque specs go. What could it be?
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Bertscova » October 9th 2009, 6:58am

I would put a new starter on it they are $45. for a rebuilt on from napa. You could prob get one cheaper from Advanced Auto but I've never had any luck with theirs. Also charge the battery it could be low

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Re: 1st time start

Postby astro355 » October 9th 2009, 11:57am

What exactly do you mean by the engine still drags?

What grade/kind of oil are you running for the break-in?
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Fatjoe216 [OP] » October 9th 2009, 12:22pm

Bertscova wrote:I would put a new starter on it they are $45. for a rebuilt on from napa. You could prob get one cheaper from Advanced Auto but I've never had any luck with theirs. Also charge the battery it could be low

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I pulled off the stater and applied 12v from the battery. It engages and turns freely. I also charged the battery for a while.
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Re: 1st time start

Postby astro355 » October 9th 2009, 12:27pm

Fatjoe216 wrote:
Bertscova wrote:I would put a new starter on it they are $45. for a rebuilt on from napa. You could prob get one cheaper from Advanced Auto but I've never had any luck with theirs. Also charge the battery it could be low

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I pulled off the stater and applied 12v from the battery. It engages and turns freely. I also charged the battery for a while.


You need to test the starter while its under load. Just because its works off the engine doesn't mean it will work while on the engine.
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Fatjoe216 [OP] » October 9th 2009, 12:31pm

astro355 wrote:What exactly do you mean by the engine still drags?

What grade/kind of oil are you running for the break-in?


When you turn the key and watch the engine turn it goes very slow. Almost as if something internally is too tight. Everything internally is to spec. Or maybe a bad starter.
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Bertscova » October 9th 2009, 10:33pm

Like astro355 said you can't get a good test on the starter unless its under a load. A bad starter that won't even turn a old wornout motor could still spin freely off of the vehicle.. I know this is probably a dumb question but did you use assembly lube when you assembled the engine?
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Re: 1st time start

Postby astro355 » October 9th 2009, 11:14pm

Sounds like your best bet is to have the starter tested at Autozone, Advanced, O'reilly's, etc.
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Fatjoe216 [OP] » October 10th 2009, 9:42pm

Bertscova wrote:Like astro355 said you can't get a good test on the starter unless its under a load. A bad starter that won't even turn a old wornout motor could still spin freely off of the vehicle.. I know this is probably a dumb question but did you use assembly lube when you assembled the engine?


Yes everything internally has assembly lube. Got a new starter today and the old one tested ok but got a new one under warranty. I will try it again today.
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Re: 1st time start

Postby webcat » October 10th 2009, 11:23pm

If your starter turns slowly you could measure your battery voltage with a multimeter and see if its low. Should be around 12.5 ---- 13 volts , if the battery is only like around 11.4 volts that will make it crank slowly
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Re: 1st time start

Postby astro355 » October 11th 2009, 1:51am

And make sure those positive and negative connections are tight and clean.
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Fatjoe216 [OP] » October 11th 2009, 7:58pm

Ok the starter is ok now. Now it will turn over still slow but better(not as noisy). Now it won't fire up. I thought i had the distributor 180 off and tried it but it will not crank. I do have spark in all cylinders. :chevy:
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Bertscova » October 11th 2009, 8:22pm

Do you have fuel. You should be able to see the injectors spraying as you turn the engine over. Does it try to start or back fire or any thing.
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Re: 1st time start

Postby Fatjoe216 [OP] » October 11th 2009, 8:29pm

Bertscova wrote:Do you have fuel. You should be able to see the injectors spraying as you turn the engine over. Does it try to start or back fire or any thing.


When i moved the distributor 180 degrees it did pop a couple of times. so i moved it back to its original position. Sill nothing. And yes the injectors are working. They pulse as it cranks.
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