'96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

'96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby DCMoose48 [OP] » April 25th 2011, 4:46pm

I've had my '96 Astro for about 2 months. For a few weeks I had no problems with it. Great acceleration, ran great. First issue: on quick acceleration (like getting up to speed entering a highway), SES light came on. 2-3 trips after it came on, it would go out again. Code it gave me was P0101 (MAF sensor range error). I read about cleaning the MAF so I got some cleaner and did that. Seemed ok for the next week or so, even with quick acceleration. After a week the SES came on again with the same code. I tried cleaning the MAF again, and when I put it back on and drove it again there was a major loss of power, and the SES was still on. Even tho it probably wasn't necessary, I got a new MAF (got a decent discount on a new AC Delco because the guy at Advance recognized me from my job) and put it on. No SES now, but still major loss of power and trouble accelerating. Could something have gotten into the air intake while the old MAF was off for the second cleaning? If so, what can I do about it? Any advice is greatly appreciated.
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby NY Safari TONKA » April 26th 2011, 5:35am

Ok do it again or get a new one but make sure you disconect bat...let me know if it works...chk your timing after that
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby DCMoose48 [OP] » April 26th 2011, 1:41pm

Get another new MAF sensor? This one is new and it did nothing for the loss of power. I did disconnect the battery before unplugging the MAF every time.
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby cowboydan » April 26th 2011, 3:16pm

DCMoose48 wrote:Get another new MAF sensor? This one is new and it did nothing for the loss of power. I did disconnect the battery before unplugging the MAF every time.

lol... the code doesn't mean that the maf sensor is bad. it means the computer ran it's diagnostics and found an error in that system. you can clear the codes all day, but when you hit full throttle you, force the computer to run diagnostics, it will test once, throw the code, and if you are not wot, again, it will not pick up the error a second time, therefore the light turns off. stay out of the big end when merging for now.
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby cowboydan » April 26th 2011, 3:27pm

just a thought, maybe check your intake plumbing for leaks. if you have a k+n, you over oiled it... that one is common
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby DCMoose48 [OP] » April 26th 2011, 3:47pm

No K&N filter... had a standard filter in it and put in a new Fram when I put in the new MAF. What I don't get is why the loss of power all of a sudden. After the first MAF cleaning it still had good power, and went about a week before SES came on (even with going full throttle), but it was after the second cleaning that it suddenly had no power (and still SES was on), and after the new MAF was put on there is still no power but no SES/code (I have a code reader so I can check it whenever).
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby cowboydan » April 26th 2011, 4:26pm

your loss of power is done through timing. it's done to protect the engine from damage and to maintain runability. there are lots of reasons for retarding time. before you were thinking that it's a sensor. now you know it's not. you have to have other symptoms. the ses light is related to fuel and monitors for fuel delivery and efficiency. there are a few areas to look at. most of which will throw codes. any clue as to the maintinence history of this van?
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby DCMoose48 [OP] » April 26th 2011, 5:30pm

I'm not completely sure about the maintenance history. I got the van from a coworker who's dad had it for about 2 years, and I know he does a lot of auto work so I'm sure anything that was done in that time was done by him. He's out of work after surgery so I don't really wanna bother him with this right now.

You mention fuel delivery so I happened to think of something: I can't say exactly when in relation to the sudden loss of power, but I let the fuel go to almost empty (I know that's not a good thing to do) so is it possible that some residue could be clogging the pump/injectors? Would a hit of SeaFoam on the next fill-up be something I should try?
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby cowboydan » April 27th 2011, 3:13am

i will only recomend products that i have used. i know little about the stuff. being low on gas won't cause fuel blockages easily. there is a screen (prefilter) on the pump, then down the line, is a filter. change the inline filter 1st cause it's cheap. if no improvments then test the fuel pressure. that will tell you weather your pump is baked.
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby DCMoose48 [OP] » April 27th 2011, 4:24pm

Now I'm totally cornfuzzled. I've been taking it real easy for the last week, going pretty light on the gas until I could figure out what the problem was. This morning I was first at a red light when I realized my lane was blocked. Without thinking about the recent issues, I jumped the light to try to change lanes ahead of the car next to me... and I had no problem at all. No hesitation, full power like I had before. Doing that would have made the SES come on before, but it didn't. When I got home I hooked up the scanner just to see what it said.... nothing. No codes, all systems ok.

Here's my question: if the power reduction was done intentionally by the van itself (the computer I assume), how long after the problem is fixed will it allow full power to resume? Does it happen right away or would it wait until it hasn't detected the same problem for a certain amount of time?

I really appreciate you taking the time to try to help me.
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby paintdrying » April 27th 2011, 5:25pm

Lets go back to basics here. Sounds like a plugged up fuel filter to me. I second cowboydan, change out that fuel filter first chance you get. Then check fuel pressure. I know you want to figure out the mystery of what happened, That may show itself later down the road.
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby cowboydan » April 27th 2011, 11:25pm

DCMoose48 wrote:Now I'm totally cornfuzzled. I've been taking it real easy for the last week, going pretty light on the gas until I could figure out what the problem was. This morning I was first at a red light when I realized my lane was blocked. Without thinking about the recent issues, I jumped the light to try to change lanes ahead of the car next to me... and I had no problem at all. No hesitation, full power like I had before. Doing that would have made the SES come on before, but it didn't. When I got home I hooked up the scanner just to see what it said.... nothing. No codes, all systems ok.

Here's my question: if the power reduction was done intentionally by the van itself (the computer I assume), how long after the problem is fixed will it allow full power to resume? Does it happen right away or would it wait until it hasn't detected the same problem for a certain amount of time?

I really appreciate you taking the time to try to help me.

50 starts guarentees that all systems would have been checked at some point. to throw a code it only needs to see an error once. the light will come on and go out. if it senses the same error on a later scan, it will illuminate the engine light and remain on. once it remains on, the code is stored, every time the computer scans and finds the same error, it will start making adjustments (timing retard). that is why it will lose more and more power. when replacing the part always disconnect the battery. it doesn't erase stored codes, but forces it to run diagnostics right away.

it may have no effect right off the bat, so i always start 5 times before i even go for a test drive. when it runs diagnostics for that system and senses no errors, it will start putting time back in, but not all at once. 50 starts is the rule. same rule applies also for preformance upgrades... 50 starts
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby WoodButcher » April 28th 2011, 1:06am

Either you had a blockage or a ghost. My '97 can throw a code one day and run fine or run like a turd and throw no codes, these are the ghosts. Worn wire connections, broken solder joints, dried out and cracking vacuum lines are common in the older vehicles. I would be inclined to change the fuel filter if tou haven't yet and don't worry,,, be happy! :lol:
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby DCMoose48 [OP] » April 28th 2011, 2:42pm

I will go ahead and change the fuel filter as soon as I can, probably this weekend. It's been about a dozen starts since I changed the MAF so I will keep that in mind as well as counting from changing the filter. Thank you again for all the help.
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby DCMoose48 [OP] » July 22nd 2011, 7:23pm

Long delayed update with another question.

After changing the fuel filter (within a week or so of my last post) there was no real change in performance since the power seemed to have already gone back to normal. Now the current happenings:

Since I got the van in mid February, it had been hard to start after sitting for at least several hours. It took a few tries and pumping the gas a couple times before it would start. More recently it had gotten worse. Sometimes it would take 5 minutes or more before it would finally start. I went to Sears and they said the battery was bad (less than 2 year old Die-Hard) and replaced it, but that did nothing for the starting.

Here's the part I don't understand:
Friday nite when I left for work, it took a couple minutes to start the van. When it finally did start, it ran really rough and the CEL came on, blinking at first and then steady. I went ahead and drove it the 2 miles to work. Saturday morning after work (before trying to start it) I hooked up the scanner and got a code for a misfire (P0306 I think it was). I cleared it and then started the van. It started with the usual hesitation but ran like it normally does. I went ahead and took a planned 900 mile round trip over the weekend and had no issues besides the hard starting. When I went to leave for work Tuesday, the van started on the first try (after sitting for 24 hours). Since then it has started immediately every time without even pumping the gas first.

My question is this: should I be concerned about the misfire or should I just be happy about the starting problem being gone? Any input is greatly appreciated.
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby Phantom » July 22nd 2011, 7:37pm

DCMoose48 wrote:My question is this: should I be concerned about the misfire or should I just be happy about the starting problem being gone? Any input is greatly appreciated.


Both , be happy it is getting better , but don't let yourself be lured into a false sense of security , The misfire code P0306 indicates a misfire on cylinder #6 , maybe a loose connection at one or both ends of that plug wire , , check again for codes and keep a watchful eye on it , a loose connection may have found better connection , But if you experience no problems , that is a good thing :)
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Re: '96 Astro (W) MAF code, loss of power

Postby cowboydan » July 23rd 2011, 12:28am

your engine has yukky valves. the misfire could be that carbon build up was not allowing compression and that leads to that cylinder not getting good atomization. if you had bad parts, you would not have made it 900m. being on the highway for extended piriods shakes all that crud off your valves. now all those chunks have moved down into the cat. have your cat pressure tested. throw a bottle of stp black bottle....... or it's just the calm before the storm...lol... knock on wood eh.

hard starting is hard on the starter... might put it on your near future list of things ;)
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