Fel-Pro TCS 46091 - Reusing Timing Cover?

Fel-Pro TCS 46091 - Reusing Timing Cover?

Postby WinnieVan [OP] » August 10th 2017, 9:20am

HI Everyone -- so my mechanic is replacing my engine and we both thought the GM Kit came with a timing cover and a gasket kit but it did not. So I'm shopping for gaskets and a timing cover and came across an interesting product by Fel-Pro.

It looks like Fel-Pro created Fel-Pro TCS 46091 to allow users to re-use an otherwise undamaged timing cover. I find this quite interesting given that the OEM timing cover says directly on it: "Replace Assembly Upon Removal"
Capture.PNG


I'm asking because I have no reason to believe (other than it being 13 years olds) that my timing cover isn't in good shape. I know it is hard to know until it is off the engine, but Fel-Pro says you can take off the OEM gasket with a razor blade and use the Fel-Pro one in its place. Now -- the reason I am considering this is that the GM OEM Cover is about $100 (PN GM89017259) and the Fel-Pro Timing Cover Gasket Set (TCS 46091) is $25. I know I can get these things cheaper than on Amazon -- but I'm using Amazon to save on next day shipping, since I'd like my mechanic to get started ASAP.

I'm already dropping a ton of money on this engine replacement, so my prior is the 80 bucks for the OEM cover is money well spent. Another alternative is getting the Dorman 635-505, which is about the same price as the Fel-Pro Cover Gasket Set, but some of the reviews are troublesome. I checked out the FSM and it is likely that replacing this cover is something WELL outside my comfort zone, so I'd rather not have to replace it ever.

Look forward to your insights.

:ty: :ty: :ty:
Last edited by WinnieVan on August 10th 2017, 10:58am, edited 1 time in total.
Original Poster [OP]
User avatar
WinnieVan
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L3)
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L3)
Years of Membership: WinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full years
Posts: 2329
Topics: 63
Images: 27
Joined: February 2017
Location: Berkeley, CA
Gender: Male
Alias (AKA):
Van Model Year: 2004
Van Make/Model: Chevrolet Astro
Extra Info: AWD

  • Similar topics
    Replies
    Views
    Author
  • What else should I replace during Timing Cover/Pan Gasket?
    by Eddy » February 27th 2021, 8:08pm in Engines
    9 Replies
    153 Views
    Last post by AstroWill View the latest post
    March 2nd 2021, 9:08pm
  •  
    7
    55
    Last post by AstroSafari.com View the latest post
    March 9th 2021, 2:10am

Re: Fel-Pro TCS 46091 - Reusing Timing Cover?

Postby sadglad » August 10th 2017, 10:58am

I used the Fel-Pro a couple of years ago. So far so good. If I remember right it was bit tedious getting all the old gunk off to get a clean surface for the new gasket. If time is money it may be cheaper to buy a new cover.
sadglad
Site Contributor
Site Contributor
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L1)
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L1)
Years of Membership: sadglad has been a member for 9 full yearssadglad has been a member for 9 full yearssadglad has been a member for 9 full yearssadglad has been a member for 9 full yearssadglad has been a member for 9 full yearssadglad has been a member for 9 full yearssadglad has been a member for 9 full yearssadglad has been a member for 9 full yearssadglad has been a member for 9 full years
Posts: 335
Topics: 22
Images: 15
Joined: January 2012
Gender: Male
Alias (AKA):
Van Model Year: 2002
Van Make/Model: Chevrolet Astro
Extra Info: 2002 AWD Cargo

Re: Fel-Pro TCS 46091 - Reusing Timing Cover?

Postby Corsemoto » August 10th 2017, 1:25pm

A timing cover isn't $100, it's less than $50 shipped where I bought mine: https://www.chevypartsprime.com/oem/gm-93445880-cover.html and the timing cover you link to on Amazon the availability isn't too good showing ships in 1-2 months.

I actually bought the Fel-Pro timing cover kit but returned it and went with new OE timing cover. If not replacing the timing cover, I wouldn't even buy the Fel-Pro gasket, just use a good sealant like Permatex Ultra Grey Rigid High Torque, follow the instructions on setup and torque the cover to spec.

New crank seal and check harmonic balancer for wear grooves and replace or repair sleeve if necessary.
User avatar
Corsemoto
AstroSafari Pioneer
AstroSafari Pioneer
Firing on 6 Cylinders (L3)
Firing on 6 Cylinders (L3)
Years of Membership: Corsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full years
Posts: 2648
Topics: 39
Images: 13
Joined: June 2008
Alias (AKA):
Van Model Year: 2004
Van Make/Model: Chevrolet Astro
Extra Info: LT AWD

Re: Fel-Pro TCS 46091 - Reusing Timing Cover?

Postby 1lowcab » August 10th 2017, 3:17pm

I used the Dorman piece when I did the timing chain and never had a problem with it. Once it's in your hands it's actually a pretty well made piece, looks and feels just like the oem one I took off. :2:
User avatar
1lowcab
Firing on 8 Cylinders (L3)
Firing on 8 Cylinders (L3)
Years of Membership: 1lowcab has been a member for 4 full years1lowcab has been a member for 4 full years1lowcab has been a member for 4 full years1lowcab has been a member for 4 full years
Posts: 2948
Topics: 58
Images: 165
Joined: April 2016
Location: OH
Gender: Male
Alias (AKA):

Re: Fel-Pro TCS 46091 - Reusing Timing Cover?

Postby WinnieVan [OP] » August 10th 2017, 6:45pm

Thanks everyone for the input. Turns out I ended up with the wrong part number anyways. That GM93445880 works for my 04 and is like 50 bucks on Amazon too.

The reason the other Amazon one ships so slow is I bought the last one "fulfilled by Amazon".. I'll be returning the expensive one and I'll buy this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GU ... PDKIKX0DER

Turned out to be a no-brainer for me since I just spoke with GM Performance Parts and they said the warranty on my engine will be void if I do not replace the timing cover.
Original Poster [OP]
User avatar
WinnieVan
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L3)
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L3)
Years of Membership: WinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full years
Posts: 2329
Topics: 63
Images: 27
Joined: February 2017
Location: Berkeley, CA
Gender: Male
Alias (AKA):
Van Model Year: 2004
Van Make/Model: Chevrolet Astro
Extra Info: AWD

Re: Fel-Pro TCS 46091 - Reusing Timing Cover?

Postby WimpTech » August 10th 2017, 6:52pm

Keep all records n receipts; they will find ANY reason to void your warranty if they can... let's hope you dont need to use it.
WimpTech - Precision Guesswork... Questionable Results.

My Van Build: viewtopic.php?f=127&t=103714
My Other Van: http://www.vcvc.org/showthread.php/3013 ... ersion-Van
User avatar
WimpTech
Firing on 4 Cylinders (L5)
Firing on 4 Cylinders (L5)
Years of Membership: WimpTech has been a member for 5 full yearsWimpTech has been a member for 5 full yearsWimpTech has been a member for 5 full yearsWimpTech has been a member for 5 full yearsWimpTech has been a member for 5 full years
Posts: 4405
Topics: 38
Images: 322
Joined: January 2016
Location: Texas!
Alias (AKA): =Wimpy=
Van Model Year: 2000
Van Make/Model: GMC Safari
Extra Info: AWD 3+1 Lift

Re: Fel-Pro TCS 46091 - Reusing Timing Cover?

Postby WinnieVan [OP] » August 10th 2017, 9:10pm

Wimpazz wrote:Keep all records n receipts; they will find ANY reason to void your warranty if they can... let's hope you dont need to use it.


Roger that. I read a horror story that one of the larger manufacturers rejected a warranty claim since someone went 3050 miles between oil changes. I'll have a very detailed maintenance log from here on out.
Original Poster [OP]
User avatar
WinnieVan
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L3)
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L3)
Years of Membership: WinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full years
Posts: 2329
Topics: 63
Images: 27
Joined: February 2017
Location: Berkeley, CA
Gender: Male
Alias (AKA):
Van Model Year: 2004
Van Make/Model: Chevrolet Astro
Extra Info: AWD

Re: Fel-Pro TCS 46091 - Reusing Timing Cover?

Postby Corsemoto » August 11th 2017, 2:45am

That doesn't really follow the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act so I'd be surprised but it pays to be vigilant. Also, I would find it hard to believe they specify an oil change interval that would be different that what was specified in the owner's manual and would be on them to prove that oil caused the issue.
User avatar
Corsemoto
AstroSafari Pioneer
AstroSafari Pioneer
Firing on 6 Cylinders (L3)
Firing on 6 Cylinders (L3)
Years of Membership: Corsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full yearsCorsemoto has been a member for 12 full years
Posts: 2648
Topics: 39
Images: 13
Joined: June 2008
Alias (AKA):
Van Model Year: 2004
Van Make/Model: Chevrolet Astro
Extra Info: LT AWD

Re: Fel-Pro TCS 46091 - Reusing Timing Cover?

Postby WinnieVan [OP] » August 11th 2017, 5:22am

Corsemoto wrote:That doesn't really follow the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act so I'd be surprised but it pays to be vigilant. Also, I would find it hard to believe they specify an oil change interval that would be different that what was specified in the owner's manual and would be on them to prove that oil caused the issue.


Yea. It was just an anecdote I read about one of the reman providers. For all I know it could be BS.

I doubt GM would pull that, but I could understand others being stern (even if it is illegal) to try and get people just to give up.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Original Poster [OP]
User avatar
WinnieVan
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L3)
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L3)
Years of Membership: WinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full yearsWinnieVan has been a member for 4 full years
Posts: 2329
Topics: 63
Images: 27
Joined: February 2017
Location: Berkeley, CA
Gender: Male
Alias (AKA):
Van Model Year: 2004
Van Make/Model: Chevrolet Astro
Extra Info: AWD

Re: Fel-Pro TCS 46091 - Reusing Timing Cover?

Postby MI_GhostMI_Ghost is online! » August 13th 2017, 4:25am

The reason for replacing the timing cover is not the gasket but the crank seal.
The crank seal can not be replaced without damaging the cover.
~Ghost
Ast' Cargo: 2001 Astro Cargo
Beauty: 2009 Impala LT
User avatar
MI_GhostMI_Ghost is online!
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L2)
Firing on 3 Cylinders (L2)
Years of Membership: MI_Ghost has been a member for 5 full yearsMI_Ghost has been a member for 5 full yearsMI_Ghost has been a member for 5 full yearsMI_Ghost has been a member for 5 full yearsMI_Ghost has been a member for 5 full years
Posts: 1337
Topics: 6
Images: 107
Joined: November 2015
Location: On The road Again! Great Lakes Based.
Gender: Male
Alias (AKA): Ghost
Van Model Year: 2001
Van Make/Model: Chevrolet Astro
Extra Info: Big White RWD Box


 
  • Related topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to Engines

It is currently March 9th 2021, 2:10am

Engines Forum
Engine Repairs, Modifications, Diagnostics, Tuning, Upgrading, Questions.

<a href="https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/trackclk/N8334.275400VERTICALSCOPEINC./B20209277.204028354;dc_trk_aid=407011718;dc_trk_cid=94070067;dc_lat=;dc_rdid=;tag_for_child_directed_treatment="target="_blank"><img src="https://tpc.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CICAgKDrrqWwMRCAARgcKAEyCN4sAjjtai4k" border="0" align="right">
<IMG SRC="https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/trackimp/N8334.275400VERTICALSCOPEINC./B20209277.204028354;dc_trk_aid=407011718;dc_trk_cid=94070067;ord=;dc_lat=;dc_rdid=;tag_for_child_directed_treatment=?" BORDER="0" HEIGHT="1" WIDTH="1" ALT="Advertisement">
Moderator: chevy57bert
To create a new topic in Engines, click this button:
Previous topic Next topic
Recent Image Attachments
Attached by:
OldSchoolNoe
in Engines
Views: 231
Comments: 25
Date: Mar 07 '21
Time: 7:10pm
» Read last comment
Attached by:
AppaTheAirBison
in Engines
Views: 104
Comments: 2
Date: Mar 06 '21
Time: 8:54pm
» Read last comment
Attached by:
Attached by: MHM
MHM
in Engines
Views: 392
Comments: 22
Date: Mar 02 '21
Time: 2:20pm
» Read last comment
Attached by:
Attached by: MHM
MHM
in Engines
Views: 392
Comments: 22
Date: Mar 01 '21
Time: 7:27pm
» Read last comment
Attached by:
OldSchoolNoe
in Engines
Views: 231
Comments: 25
Date: Mar 01 '21
Time: 12:53am
» Read last comment
Sponsors

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Yandex [Bot] and 19 guests