What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby Lumpy [OP] » October 31st 2011, 4:08pm

Some kind of pressure(?) sensor on my LEFT spark plug row,
between #3 and #5 plugs. What sensor is that?

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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby chevymaher » October 31st 2011, 4:10pm

I believe that is the knock sensor.
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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby Lumpy [OP] » October 31st 2011, 4:18pm

Who's there?


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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby Phantom » October 31st 2011, 4:43pm

If this is what you are thinking of
Item 3
CORD ENG COOL HTR,(1985-87)(DISTANCE BETWEEN OUTERMOST ELEC TERMINALS OF 13.46MM) 85-89
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$46.03 HEATER ENG COOL,(1985-87)(DISTANCE BETWEEN OUTERMOST ELEC TERMINALS OF 13.46MM),(STAMPED 15531982) 85-89

$32.47 HEATER ENG COOL,(DISTANCE BETWEEN OUTERMOST ELEC TERMINALS OF 13.30MM),(*KIT1) (NOT AVAILABLE
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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby Lumpy [OP] » November 1st 2011, 2:16am

What's an "ENG COOL HTR"?


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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby chevymaher » November 1st 2011, 2:45am

Sorry lump I was confused to which one you were talking about.Upper is temp gauge sending unit lower is knock sensor.Still between same cylinders.Darn it wheres my sign I keep setting it somewhere.
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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby RECox286 » November 1st 2011, 2:55am

When your engine is hot, try unplugging that sensor, if the temp gage goes to Nuthing, then you have found what it is there for.

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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby Phantom » November 1st 2011, 2:28pm

Lumpy wrote:What's an "ENG COOL HTR"?

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GM Part 15531982

they call it a Block/coolant heater ,,,, it is in the GM parts category as Block heater (K05)

It seems that this is an item that is rarely ever replaced .. I asked a few techs about it as I have never changed one of these items GM Part 15531982... seems that many other techs haven't either as no one I spoke with had what could be called "best ' answer .this item has been on many GM vehicles for many years

here is one example ,, same part has been used on many GM vehicles
http://parts.nalleygmc.com/products/Che ... 31982.html
apparently it heats the coolant in the heads/block ,, not sure if it does it by the battery up til operating temp??

The coolant temp sensor with gauges is Ac Delco part # 8993146 engine coolant w/gauges sensor

The coolant temp sensor without gauges is GM Part 15326386 here is a pic of it's location ...it is item 68
15326386 has also been used as a transmission temp sensor
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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby chevymaher » November 1st 2011, 2:51pm

My listing in my manual was different.So I changed clothes and did a taste test.Number 68 must be a computer sensor it did not effect the gauge when unplugged.The other one listed as a heater when unplugged the gauge reads cold, plugged in it reads warm.Which is right the vans is only warm right now.It was driven an hour ago.At least on my van that is what it does a 94.I was using the chiltons and at least this time it was right on mine.
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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby Phantom » November 1st 2011, 3:07pm

Item 7 in the first post I made is also listed as a block heater ,, and the knock sensor being being a little more forward on engine , in front of exhaust manifold with the o2 sensor in the manifold

The pics I share are GM pics , what they use, the part numbers are GM Genuine part numbers ,,easy to research part numbers ... from what I have seen in documentation ,,the configuration was changed after 89 ,,,they do that ....knock sensor on a Gen2 is back by the distributor,,,I would disconnect the wire between the cylinders and then drive it long enough to get it to operating temp and see if there are any differences noted in gauge readings ,, but then if it needs electric power to make heat , it would be cold if it had no power applied to it . It be too hot to touch if done when engine is hot ,, since there are variations ,, things can change , here is a pic of where they say the knock sensor is item 5 and item 4 is o2 sensor , it changed location in 2nd design I would find a shop that specializes in this area , like an auto electric shop and take van to them and discuss further , it one of those areas that could be interpreted in different ways due to changes if different ways the engine were designed ,
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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby Lumpy [OP] » November 1st 2011, 4:20pm

Here's the mystery sensor.

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Here's my left side spark plug access. Those lines that partially obscure #1 on the left have
several inches of clearance between them and the plug. More than enough to get a ratchet
and SP socket in there. One is a rubber hose, other is metal. Both flex a bit.

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Both of these pics were taken with my camera simply sitting on top of the stock 215 tire.
No jacking or anything.


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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby Phantom » November 1st 2011, 4:47pm

In regard to the mystery sensor I looked up the other part ,item 7 from the first post pic ;
part number GM Part 10137605 and it to is called a block heater ... perhaps a little known about part?

Here is some reference material , maybe you can find someone in your neck of the woods who knows more about .. it maybe something you'll never need .

GM Part 10137605

http://www.gmpartsgiant.com/components/ ... 10906.html

http://parts.nalleygmc.com/products/Che ... 37605.html
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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby Lumpy [OP] » November 1st 2011, 8:14pm

RECox286 wrote:When your engine is hot, try unplugging that sensor, if the temp gage goes to Nuthing, then you have found what it is there for.

Bob


I just did exactly that. It goes to zero when unplugged, back up to warm/hot when plugged in.

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It's a single wire w/ spade connector. That "coolant heater" thing sounds, from the description,
like it has two wires. And it just plain looks like a temp or pressure sensor - Which, apparently, it is.

Thanks Bob

Thanks to the others. You get the home game.


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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby Phantom » November 1st 2011, 8:54pm

That is Affirmative :D

A old friend stopped over and I was talking with him about this ; as he has an 89 Astro
that is the temp gauge sensor
the sensor up by the intake is the one that tells the computer the temp of engine , to determine how much fuel to dump in

The block heater is located lower than the temp gauge sensor and will be attached to a freeze plug location ,,if equipped with the block heater .
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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

Postby Lumpy [OP] » November 1st 2011, 10:03pm

Phantom wrote:
...The block heater is located lower than the temp gauge sensor and will be attached to a freeze plug location ,,if equipped with the block heater .


I hope mine's working. It got down to 52 deg last night.


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Hey, I won, I won. Oh boy, oh boy. What do i gets ????

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RECox286 wrote:
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A cheese straightener!
Deluxe model too!


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Re: What sensor - L Spark Plug Bank?

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Jasen wrote:
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Correctomundo!


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