Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Ups

Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Ups

Postby ri$e*above [OP] » June 28th 2020, 2:57pm

I noticed my oil lines are leaking. I was about to change the oil and filter, so figured I'd deal with it all at once. The delete StickerSafari posted sounds like a good solution. But what other options other than replacing the factory lines or the delete did you guys go with? I'm thinking of buying a performance radiator and electric fan, and running a separate oil and transmission coolers from that radiator to avoid any cross contamination issues down the road. Has anyone done that? What set-up did you use? Did you use a oil cooler kit, or just use the OEM oil adapter and just use new lines?

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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby SportsBoy » June 28th 2020, 9:55pm

The stock rad already has separate oil and trans cooler lines going to separate coolers within it. Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but seems like you're looking to replace stock with stock?
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby ri$e*above [OP] » June 29th 2020, 2:01am

SportsBoy wrote:The stock rad already has separate oil and trans cooler lines going to separate coolers within it. Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but seems like you're looking to replace stock with stock?

I've heard of people fixing up their oil lines with a more permanent solution to fix that weak point, but then that shifts the weak point to within the radiator and could cause cross contamination. Looking to buy a new radiator with no lines running through it so I can just run external cooling lines. Seems the lines and coolers get a mixed opinion. I've spoke to guys that have had zero issues at all, but also spoke to guys that have replaced lines multiple times in a year.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby Wiley » June 29th 2020, 5:49pm

Fixing the leaky lines with high pressure hose and good clamps works well overall, but I had to do it 3 times over the course of a decade, so I finally did the delete.

You can just take the lines out of the old radiator leaving the empty holes, you do not need to plug the holes but you can do so for aesthetic reasons if you chose. If you buy a new radiator, it will come with those holes plugged, so just leave them as is, but nothing will run through that part of the radiator after the delete so you can take it out and drive it today!

You can run an external cooler regardless to if you choose to go with a new or old radiator. For now I do not believe I will add a cooler, but have yet to drive it since the delete.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby Sailing_Faith » June 29th 2020, 6:25pm

The oil cooler is really not needed.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby drameydramey is online! » June 29th 2020, 6:52pm

I deleted my oil cooler 4 years ago with no adverse effects.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby N6KB » June 29th 2020, 7:34pm

I'm confused about all of this. Can someone please explain it to me. Is the oil cooler what you are talking about deleting? Does my stock 2005 Astro have an oil cooler? Or is this only something people have added? I think my radiator has water hoses for the normal engine cooling and it also has lines going the the transmission to cool the tranny fluid. Does it also have an oil cooler integrated into it along with the water and tranny fluid cooling?
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby M_a_t_t » June 29th 2020, 10:12pm

N6KB wrote:I'm confused about all of this. Can someone please explain it to me. Is the oil cooler what you are talking about deleting? Does my stock 2005 Astro have an oil cooler? Or is this only something people have added? I think my radiator has water hoses for the normal engine cooling and it also has lines going the the transmission to cool the tranny fluid. Does it also have an oil cooler integrated into it along with the water and tranny fluid cooling?


The oil cooler is built into the radiator. You can't delete the cooler itself. You just remove the lines that connect the engine to the cooler. Then remove the adapter on the block.

How Leeann describes removal of the adapter.
Leeann_93 wrote:⅜" Allen for the adapter. Remove it with the adapter bolted to the block (it can be really tight, so having the adapter securely bolted to the block helps), then use a T-40 to remove both bolts for the adapter. Once that's off, the ⅜" Allen will reinstall the filter mount to the block.

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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby ri$e*above [OP] » June 30th 2020, 1:19am

Wiley wrote:Fixing the leaky lines with high pressure hose and good clamps works well overall, but I had to do it 3 times over the course of a decade, so I finally did the delete.

You can just take the lines out of the old radiator leaving the empty holes, you do not need to plug the holes but you can do so for aesthetic reasons if you chose. If you buy a new radiator, it will come with those holes plugged, so just leave them as is, but nothing will run through that part of the radiator after the delete so you can take it out and drive it today!

You can run an external cooler regardless to if you choose to go with a new or old radiator. For now I do not believe I will add a cooler, but have yet to drive it since the delete.


Thanks for the advice.

I'm thinking of just doing the delete and leaving in the factory radiator. Maybe run an external oil cooler with a fan that I can turn on/off in hot weather, and/or when I haul a trailer. I was reading about how using synthetic oil helps a lot with the cooling/wear on the motor too.

Do you have a transmission cooler?


dramey wrote:I deleted my oil cooler 4 years ago with no adverse effects.


Sailing_Faith wrote:The oil cooler is really not needed.


Do you guys live in hot climates, and/or haul a trailer or anything? Just trying to figure if I should maybe run an external cooler with a fan for hot days or when pulling a trailer. Is there any difference in temperatures or oil pressure after the delete? Also, do you use the same viscosity oil as when you were running the oil cooler?
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby ri$e*above [OP] » June 30th 2020, 1:24am

M_a_t_t wrote:The oil cooler is built into the radiator. You can't delete the cooler itself. You just remove the lines that connect the engine to the cooler. Then remove the adapter on the block.


Thanks for the advice,

Did you do the delete also? The delete seems to be the best option from all of the people thatg I'm seeing that have done it with no issues.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby ri$e*above [OP] » June 30th 2020, 1:38am

Is the transmission cooler also known for having issues like the oil cooler? I have the transmission package and seems like I have an additional huge radiator mounted on the front of the regular radiator.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby Wiley » June 30th 2020, 8:23am

ri$e*above wrote:Is the transmission cooler also known for having issues like the oil cooler? I have the transmission package and seems like I have an additional huge radiator mounted on the front of the regular radiator.


I added the trans cooler in 2010, easy and recommended. Depending on what you are describing, the cooler will tie into the radiator lines, otherwise you may be confusing it with the giant AC cooler thingy.

This is an example of a transmission cooler that someone added on, you see the outlet and inlet lines will connect to the radiator, this is not an Astro but t is the same idea.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby SportsBoy » June 30th 2020, 8:57pm

ri$e*above wrote:Is the transmission cooler also known for having issues like the oil cooler? I have the transmission package and seems like I have an additional huge radiator mounted on the front of the regular radiator.

Like the oil cooler, there is a transmission fluid cooler built into the rad - it doesn't cause nearly as many problems as the oil cooler lines do though.

Many people add an external tranny cooler for towing, but you might already have an upgraded tranny cooler with your tow package, which would explain the extra radiator in front of your normal one - unless it's just the a/c condenser you're talking about.

My understanding is that towing puts more strain on the tranny vs the engine in terms of temperature. With your lift, it may be a good idea to switch to an efan since the stock fan may not be lining up with the radiator as it was originally, reducing cooling power.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby drameydramey is online! » June 30th 2020, 9:13pm

I live in Alaska and drive in temperatures that range from +95F to -55F. Most of the time the temperatures are from +70F to -35F. I do pull a camping trailer, snowmobile trailer, or a canoe trailer. I deleted the oil cooler and added an auxiliary transmission cooler. I removed the stock cooling fan and replaced it with 2 electric fans.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby M_a_t_t » June 30th 2020, 9:17pm

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M_a_t_t wrote:The oil cooler is built into the radiator. You can't delete the cooler itself. You just remove the lines that connect the engine to the cooler. Then remove the adapter on the block.


Thanks for the advice,

Did you do the delete also? The delete seems to be the best option from all of the people thatg I'm seeing that have done it with no issues.


I did out of necessity for my v8 swap. Then I pulled this thing (not the best decision). I haven't had any issues, but I haven't put many miles on the swap yet either.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

Postby ri$e*above [OP] » June 30th 2020, 11:01pm

Wiley wrote:
I added the trans cooler in 2010, easy and recommended. Depending on what you are describing, the cooler will tie into the radiator lines, otherwise you may be confusing it with the giant AC cooler thingy.

This is an example of a transmission cooler that someone added on, you see the outlet and inlet lines will connect to the radiator, this is not an Astro but t is the same idea.
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I'll have a look. The radiator in front of my regular radiator is pretty big, so maybe that's the AC thing. Although with it having the factory transmission package, I'm guessing it has an additional radiator/heat exchange somewhere.


SportsBoy wrote:Like the oil cooler, there is a transmission fluid cooler built into the rad - it doesn't cause nearly as many problems as the oil cooler lines do though.

Many people add an external tranny cooler for towing, but you might already have an upgraded tranny cooler with your tow package, which would explain the extra radiator in front of your normal one - unless it's just the a/c condenser you're talking about.

My understanding is that towing puts more strain on the tranny vs the engine in terms of temperature. With your lift, it may be a good idea to switch to an efan since the stock fan may not be lining up with the radiator as it was originally, reducing cooling power.


Are the transmission cooler lines better quality than the leaky oil cooler lines or something, or are the transmission lines just less problematic due to less pressure than the oil cooler?

Yeah, I'm guessing there's an extra radiator/heat exchange somewhere for the transmission...I'll have a good luck for it when this rain stops.

I was actually thinking of going with an electric fan/s. I've never done that before with any of my cars/trucks/vans though, so need to research into doing it.


dramey wrote:I live in Alaska and drive in temperatures that range from +95F to -55F. Most of the time the temperatures are from +70F to -35F. I do pull a camping trailer, snowmobile trailer, or a canoe trailer. I deleted the oil cooler and added an auxiliary transmission cooler. I removed the stock cooling fan and replaced it with 2 electric fans.


Did you keep the factory radiator, and tie in the auxiliary transmission cooler into that loop?

I'm thinking of going with electric fans too. I need to research into doing that, as it will be my first time doing it. Is it pretty straight forward to do?


M_a_t_t wrote: I did out of necessity for my v8 swap. Then I pulled this thing (not the best decision). I haven't had any issues, but I haven't put many miles on the swap yet either.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

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Are the transmission cooler lines better quality than the leaky oil cooler lines or something, or are the transmission lines just less problematic due to less pressure than the oil cooler?


they are different - tranny lines are all metal, oil cooler are rubber and metal crimped together.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator and Oil and Transmission Cooler Set-Up

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M_a_t_t wrote: I did out of necessity for my v8 swap. Then I pulled this thing (not the best decision). I haven't had any issues, but I haven't put many miles on the swap yet either.


Wow, that's some weight! Did you damage anything pulling that?


I had to change the rear wheel bearings. Just started to make noise when I turned afterward.
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ri$e*above wrote:
Are the transmission cooler lines better quality than the leaky oil cooler lines or something, or are the transmission lines just less problematic due to less pressure than the oil cooler?


they are different - tranny lines are all metal, oil cooler are rubber and metal crimped together.


Yup, and on top of that, adding a lift will stretch the already short oil cooler lines, and tons of people do at least a 2 inch lift on these, so they are begging to be deleted!
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“Did you keep the factory radiator, and tie in the auxiliary transmission cooler into that loop?”

Yes

“I'm thinking of going with electric fans too. I need to research into doing that, as it will be my first time doing it. Is it pretty straight forward to do?”

I used 2 electric fans with shrouds from a junkyard. I built some brackets to mount the 2 fans onto the radiator and wired the fans to kick on around 200F to 210F. I did away with the factory fan shroud.
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