Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Astro.

Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Astro.

Postby blendergasket [OP] » September 8th 2020, 2:16am

Hi, I'm changing my fuel pump this weekend and I can't get the lock ring to turn and lock on my 1994 Astro. I'm hitting the parts that are raised and turned up with a screwdriver and hammer but they are not going. It was really easy to get off, but I'm a little worried I didn't get it in right. I put the gasket on, then the fuel pump, then the lock ring with the tabs sticking up. Did I do something wrong? If not, do you have any tips to get it to work? This thing's driving me crazy.

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Also, does the sticker need to come off the hose attachment?

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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby 97cargocrawler » September 8th 2020, 5:32am

Perhaps the lock ring is not clocked properly. Not sure but I'm commenting here just to remind you of the danger using a steel implement to contact that ring. Ideally you use a brass drift to avoid sparking. If that's not handy anything else like wood dowel or plastic should be used.

I would remove that sticker.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby M_a_t_t » September 8th 2020, 5:45am

I always spray it with PB blaster. Mostly to remove the rings, but it might help lube up the new one as well.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby blendergasket [OP] » September 8th 2020, 7:29am

I put some antisieze on it and that didn't help, but that isn't really the ideal thing to put on it. I will try the old lock ring to see if that works. I will try to find something other than a screw driver or use a towel over it. Ivjust got some PB Blaster, I'll try that.

Also, I was only able to find the screw type hose clamps. Is there a way to locktite those so they don't come loose? Or would it be better to wait and get the spring ones?

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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby M_a_t_t » September 8th 2020, 7:53am

Those 2 hoses aren't pressurized so screw clamps will be fine without loctite.

You could put loctite on, but it probably won't do much of anything. Loctite cures when there isn't any air (I don't remember the real term for it). When you put it on a regular bolt it hardens because of the thread contact creating no air pockets. There is little/no thread contact on a screw clamp. The only place it contacts is on the thickness of that band x2 or 3 threads that are touching it at the time.

Also you might try putting a little pressure on the fuel sender to compress that gasket a little bit. You will want to apply pressure around the edge where the gasket contacts the fuel sender though. Might be hard to do by yourself while tapping the ring around.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby augidog » September 8th 2020, 12:23pm

97cargocrawler wrote:Perhaps the lock ring is not clocked properly.
can't exactly be sure from the pic, but from what I can see I tend to agree. this is only my opinion.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby Mmusicman » September 9th 2020, 12:06am

Need a bigger hammer.
I remember I had to "tap" mine fairly hard.. more like a hit.
But the trick for me was to hit it from all sides.. working it into place.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby Leeann_93 » September 9th 2020, 12:24am

I put a little silicone grease on the o-ring, then use a brass drift to tap - tap - tap - tap - tap, one tap on each tab as I go around the circle. Once it starts to move, I change to a couple taps and move, couple taps and move, etc. Oh - you do have to push down to get it seated properly under the tank-side tabs, then start tapping away.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby MechBob » September 9th 2020, 2:33am

Well,I probably have done more of these than anyone here,in all makes of vehicles,so i will comment.The factory and aftermarket tools suck.I have done many,with an old screwdriver I cut a notch into,many years ago, and a mallet.There are 3 short nubs that i prefer to use to tap on.Lubricant on the o-ring is good, as it has to "grow" as it is being smashed down.Lubricant on the metal is OK, but use something not flammable,in both cases.The key is,anytime the retainer ring gets misaligned,it can hit metal to metal,which causes great resistance.SO,what I am saying,always have the ring centered.Sometimes you can only hit/drive the ring on with one hit of the mallet, then you have to recenter the ring.Which,on most vehicles is easy,stick a screwdriver in the closed up gap and give a twist,the shoulders in the metal are already there.Some aftermarket rings are so poorly sized, if you do not do this,they actually will pop out.Anyway,perhaps this will help someone in the future.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby blendergasket [OP] » September 9th 2020, 5:51am

Thank you all for the insight. I have a drift pin and some silicon o ring grease coming on Thurs from Amazon, I'll work on it on Friday. I didn't get any farther tonight. I tried with the old o ring and its the same thing.

Can I use that same lube between the two layers of metal? Or is there a better lube to use?

I''m sorry, but I guess I don't know what is meant by "clocking" is that like alignment around a circle?

I have 3 more pics to look at if you believe I may have the ring misaligned.

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I may just not be hitting it hard enough. I wasn't wailing on it. When I get my drift pin I will hit it a bit harder after it's all lubed up and hopefully that'll do the trick. This thing's driving me crazy.

Thanks all for your help and insight.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby M_a_t_t » September 9th 2020, 6:47am

blendergasket wrote:I''m sorry, but I guess I don't know what is meant by "clocking" is that like alignment around a circle?

Sounds like you get the jist of it. It just refers to the rotational orientation of 2 things.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby MechBob » September 9th 2020, 7:00am

Wow,thought you had it done.Well,will try to help,again.Any lube is good/cool, even if you pee on it,lol.I have never EVER seen a GM lock ring that needs to be "clocked/timed" does not exist.Seem to remember fords were that way.Aftermarket fuel senders O rings always seem to be a bit stiffer/harder than factory GM O rings,so makes install harder. I have put probably over 300 aftermarket in,without an issue,"except" harder to start.Spray it with some crc,silicone,whatever, and tap on the small lower lugs,once it is past 1/3 started , will just roll in.Aftermarket senders have a "denser" O Ring,harder, so is harder to compress.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby blendergasket [OP] » September 9th 2020, 7:27am

Thank you for the help and information.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby blendergasket [OP] » September 15th 2020, 3:27am

I took a break from my project with the hope that all the smoke would clear as I'm working outside. My buddy was supposed to come by today and help me. A second set of hands sounded like it'd help, but the smoke is very bad so he wanted to wait a couple days for it to clear.

I decided to play around with it on my own. I realized the new gasket is noticeably bigger than the old one and doesn't really fit into the depression.

The part I got is Spectrum SP18A1H, which seems to be the right fuel pump, based on Spectra's website. It just seems to have an oversized gasket.

Is it OK to use the old gasket with the pump and sender?
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby MechBob » September 15th 2020, 6:21pm

I have run into that before,and had to use the gasket/o-ring over.Not preferable,but sometimes have to do such things.Have seen wrong gaskets come with stuff before.Most parts stores sell just the o-ring,in a small kit,with some other small parts.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby blendergasket [OP] » September 15th 2020, 6:45pm

Good to know. I will go down to the store and see if they have an O ring otherwise I'll install it with the old one.

Thank you so much!!!
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby MechBob » September 15th 2020, 6:56pm

The AC DELCO number is G10, Dorman numbers are -579-001, or 579-810, not sure which one fits,take old parts with you.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby blendergasket [OP] » September 16th 2020, 3:34am

Thank you for the info. Autozone had a Spectra lock ring and O-Ring for $3.99. The O-Ring was slightly smaller than the one on the fuel pump (even though it was also Spectra) and it worked like a charm. Took all of 10 min with the right part. I wish I could invoice spectra for all the time I spent fiddling with that thing.
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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby AstroWill » September 16th 2020, 3:56am

blendergasket wrote:Thank you for the info. Autozone had a Spectra lock ring and O-Ring for $3.99. The O-Ring was slightly smaller than the one on the fuel pump (even though it was also Spectra) and it worked like a charm. Took all of 10 min with the right part. I wish I could invoice spectra for all the time I spent fiddling with that thing.

Might be worth posting the part number for others.

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Re: Unable to get fuel pump lock ring to lock on my 1994 Ast

Postby blendergasket [OP] » September 19th 2020, 4:30am

Good call.

It was Spectra brand part number LO01.

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