Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Ordale [OP] » August 13th 2012, 2:35am

I had an earlier post on it. I acquired a van that sat for a year. I got a battery for it and it turns over but wont crank. The fuel pump does kick on. It actually will run for a second if I spray starter fluid into the air intake so its got me thinking fuel problem.
Me and my buddy had a close one today and while he was liberally spraying fluid into the air intake IT CAUGHT FIRE :screaming: for a second or two. I never had that happen and it scared the doo doo from me.

I went with the advice of just cranking it but i might have to take heed to the advice of some others from my earlier post. Any suggestions?
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby ccookie66 » August 13th 2012, 2:42am

Mine had this same problem. It would fire and run for a second when I spray starting fluid into the intake. (Yes, it did back fire ounce and catch on fire :oops: ) It ended up being fuel pressure. If your van is fuel injected, the injectors won't even open unless the fuel pressure is 52 PSI or above. (I think) If you have a pressure gauge, check the fuel pressure. I could hear the fuel pump run, but the van won't fire. I was only getting up to 45 PSI, not enough to open the injectors.

But thats what I would do, make sure the fuel pressure is right. Do you know if you have central port fuel injection?
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Ordale [OP] » August 13th 2012, 2:56am

No, I dont even know if I have central port fuel. I thought it was that TBI if Im writing that right. I guess I need to find some things out if IM gonna get proper help. The van Is a 94 safari v6 if that helps any.
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby redfury » August 13th 2012, 2:58am

Listen to CC, he went through a bit of head scratching to finally get his van started and running again. Fuel pressure is key to get these vans running. If you know the fuel pump is starting and running, the other possibility with it sitting for a year is that you have water/fuel seperation and all you are pumping into the engine is a mist of water. I'd empty that tank completely, then fill it with a few gallons of fresh gas and some HEET and then give it another go...actually, I'd replace the fuel filter as well. Run the fuel pump a couple of bursts after the pump is off and spray out any water/fuel that is in the pump while you are at it and then install the new filter...I'm sure it's gotta be pretty nasty as well, and a cheap necessary repair.
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby ccookie66 » August 13th 2012, 3:10am

Ok, find your VIN number. What is the 8th letter on the VIN number?
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Ordale [OP] » August 13th 2012, 3:17am

Thanks for the advice Redfury and CC. I will get me a fuel filter and siphon the gas out.
Redfury when I run the pump a couple of burst is that when I have the fuel filter disconnected and the pump fuse out?
And CC I will look in my manual on how to check the fuel pressure. Man I really wanna get this van going so I appreciate the help very much.

Oh and my buddy got his hair burnt on his head and his arm. I felt bad.
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Ordale [OP] » August 13th 2012, 3:18am

Its a W CC
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby ccookie66 » August 13th 2012, 3:22am

Ok, you have the same engine as me. You do have CPI. (Central Port Injection) It should have between 55-61 PSI to run right. But if you can pick up a fuel pressure gauge, or if you have one, you should check the fuel pressure, to see if the fuel pump is pumping up the right pressure, and that the pressure regulator is holding the fuel pressure.
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Ordale [OP] » August 13th 2012, 3:32am

Thanks. You guys are putting me to work!! I will get on it this week and update my progress. :D
Thanks CC.
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby ccookie66 » August 13th 2012, 3:40am

No problem. Don't worry, we will get your van running. If the people of A/S got my van running, I'm sure they can get yours running too. Just start out with the simple, cheap stuff first. It might be a simple fix! :shrug:
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Ordale [OP] » August 13th 2012, 3:52am

Sounds good to me.
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Matrixx » August 13th 2012, 7:08am

If your pressure is off after checking it Ordale, replace the fuel filter first to see if that's the problem (simple fix (if it is) and needs to be replaced anyways "if" the fuel pump is out of spec. after replacing the filter) 55-61 PSI as already mentioned.

Great advice given here as well I might add.

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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Ordale [OP] » August 13th 2012, 9:44pm

Matrixx wrote:If your pressure is off after checking it Ordale, replace the fuel filter first to see if that's the problem (simple fix (if it is) and needs to be replaced anyways "if" the fuel pump is out of spec. after replacing the filter) 55-61 PSI as already mentioned.

Great advice given here as well I might add.

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Yes I agree. I went and got a fuel filter from parts store and they didnt have fuel pressure gauges there. I also dont want to spend that much on one. Ill see if anybody rents them. Im gonna replace the fuel filter after siphonin the old gas out. It probally could use one I suppose.
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Rolling_Rock » August 13th 2012, 10:09pm

Go to autozone, drop the $150 to RENT the actron fuel pressure tester kit -- test the fuel pressure and go from there -

and keep in mind there is alot of mythology about the 'minumium' astro fuel pressure needed to 'open the fuel injectors' -- Ive rode around for MONTHS at 20psi on an MFI astro - checked with multiple gauges -
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Ordale [OP] » August 13th 2012, 11:49pm

Thankyou Rolling Rock!!!
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Leeann_93 » August 14th 2012, 4:06am

CPI needs 58-62 psi to start. Just a correction. CPI and MFI are two completely different systems. MFI has 6 injectors out on the ends of 6 stalks. CPI has one injector with 6 poppet valves out on the end of 6 stalks. Those poppet valves will not open to start unless they see 58-62 psi. Once running, they don't need that high psi.

Next, never use starting fluid in a fuel-injected motor. Never. Not only can you light the poor thing on fire, but you can burn the heck outta the idiot spraying the starting fluid. A sensor-safe cleaner is a much better idea.
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Ordale [OP] » August 14th 2012, 4:25am

Leeann_93 wrote:CPI needs 58-62 psi to start. Just a correction. CPI and MFI are two completely different systems. MFI has 6 injectors out on the ends of 6 stalks. CPI has one injector with 6 poppet valves out on the end of 6 stalks. Those poppet valves will not open to start unless they see 58-62 psi. Once running, they don't need that high psi.

Next, never use starting fluid in a fuel-injected motor. Never. Not only can you light the poor thing on fire, but you can burn the heck outta the idiot spraying the starting fluid. A sensor-safe cleaner is a much better idea.


Lesson learned :oops: . Sensor safe it is. Thanks for the info as I am learning.

Also, do I have to remove the dog house to access the shrader valve to check fuel pressure?
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby ccookie66 » August 14th 2012, 4:39am

On my 93, I do have to remove the dog house.
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Re: Safari that sat wont crank!!!! situation got hot

Postby Ordale [OP] » August 14th 2012, 4:53am

[quote="ccookie66"]On my 93, I do have to remove the dog house.[/quote

Thanks CC. This van was sitting for a year without being cranked so I probally needed to take it off anyways to check my wiring for any rat damage. I was gonna squirt a little oil in the cylinders but it seems like these spark plugs can be a nightmare.
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Postby ccookie66 » August 14th 2012, 4:58am

I heard somewhere that you can access some of the spark plugs if you take off a front tire. Never done it, haven't changed my plugs yet.
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