95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby Gordon [OP] » December 20th 2008, 7:56am

looking at buying a 95 stro (finally get to get rid of this POS Aerostar WOOHOO :banana: ) it has the normal 4.3L v6 like every other stro but what injection system is used on it?

I think it's central port injection (the one with that retarded spider in it) but not sure.

If it is CPI can it be changed to MPI without changing the heads? (i'm gonna assume the 95 vortec is the same as the 00 ones with mpi).

Thanks guys and it's sweet to be back in stro land :chevy:
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby spongebob218 » December 20th 2008, 1:12pm

'95 has CPI. You'd need a different intake, plenum, harness, PCM, etc. Even if it could be done, I don't think it would be cost effective. You could probably buy a few injectors for the CPI for what the cost of conversion would be.
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby astro355 » December 20th 2008, 2:45pm

Glad to hear your back. Unless the motor is junk, throwing a ton of codes at you, etc, I would leave the CPI alone. Now if you 'need' to swap it out, that's really up to you. It could be done, but like spongebob218 already said, it will cost some money.
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby Gordon [OP] » December 20th 2008, 7:24pm

I will likely swap the engine out for 350 in teh spring anyhow but I was jsust curious if the cpi and mpi were interchangeable.

So when I change this over to the 350 will I need a CPI, Tpi, MPI or Carbed engine to plug right in to the wiring harness.

This will be the newest stro we've ever had, all the others were tbi.

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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby doyoulikeithere » December 21st 2008, 9:12am

95 was the last year of cylinder heads with a 6 bolt per head intake manifold bolt pattern. In 96 the heads changed to the true vortec heads, and they only use 4 bolts per head to bolt down the intake manifold. MPI was never offered prior to 96. Long and short. MPI will not bolt up to a 95 CPI head.

Not sure about the V8 Q's.
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby Gordon [OP] » December 28th 2008, 8:09pm

Went over and got the van running.

It has a short somewhere in the ignition wiring that causes the starter to engage as soon as the key is in teh run position.

So i climbed under the van and chopped the trigger wire to the starter for now.

Once I get it home today i'll wire it to a 50 amp relay and put a pushbutton start button on the dash thus solving the starter issue.



It's a beautiful van too, fully loaded and everything works.... even the AC :o

Has 250,000 kms on it, brand new tires even.

Guy went from $1000 to $500 due to the starter issue.... lol he feels bad about it... his loss, my gain :banana:


I will eventually swap a 350 into it, i'm thinking about using a TBI 350 and just changing the wiring harness and the computer.

From what I can find out on the web, the main harness "should" be compatable with a tbi harness in terms of wiring compatability but we'll see.


Worst case scenario i swap in a carbed 350 and a 700r4 trans.

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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby Leeann_93 » December 29th 2008, 1:27am

Gordon wrote:Guy went from $1000 to $500 due to the starter issue.... lol he feels bad about it... his loss, my gain :banana:



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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby astro355 » December 29th 2008, 5:47pm

Yeah, the TBI harness should work. I have heard that over and over again. When you get to it, you'll have to let us know how it works.
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby lesterl » December 31st 2008, 5:12am

I would find a CPI 5.7l from a 96 sierra or silverado. The one I had was badass.
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby kevreif » January 11th 2009, 2:33pm

hey just so you know i have a 92 astro RS that is/was true MPI. so they did make them before 96, not many but they did. i don't think its one of GMs better set ups tho.
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby doyoulikeithere » January 11th 2009, 3:53pm

i have a 92 astro RS that is/was true MPI.


I would like to see a picture of that.
I suspect you may be a bit confused.
onty CPI or TBI was availlable in 92.

Please post a picture of your 92 MPI for us!
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby Gordon [OP] » January 11th 2009, 9:47pm

So far I'm having a blast with this 4.3L. According to the web and the local dealership, for 1995 only this engine made 200hp and 245 ft/lbs of torque.

This is my 5th astro/safari and I can definately say I like this one the most.


I am however stuck on a 50/50 idea... to V8 or to turbocharge it :think:

Being CPI I can turbo it fairly easily with just a new custom chip for the computer and a 2 bar MAP sensor.

It will definately get a stage 2 shift kit if I turbo it though... the factory shift is slowly then mollasses in January.

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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby astro355 » January 11th 2009, 10:13pm

Why not V8 and turbo it?
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby Matrixx » January 11th 2009, 10:26pm

Hi Gordon
From what I have have read about turbo charging is it hasn't really produced very good performance results just bolting them up to the motor. I know of a couple of astro/safari owners that actually removed theirs because of all the problems that was created from installing them. If you really and truly want to turbo charge it, then my suggestion is to tear the motor apart and build it up properly to have it turbo charged. Then you have the heat and room issue inside the engine compartment to deal with afterwards.

The next question would be, what is the cost of having the motor built up to be "truly" compliant with the Turbo Charger as to swapping a V8 into it which these vehicles were designed for anyways. I think the overall expense for both would lead me to believe that the V8 swap would be cheaper overall with better performance specs (personally speaking of course). Something to think about.
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby Gordon [OP] » January 11th 2009, 10:39pm

It's by far cheaper to just toss a V8 into it but I like a challenge :D
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby Matrixx » January 11th 2009, 11:06pm

Hi Gordon
I like a challenge as well, like trying to pull my engine out through the front without unbolting anything. I had to accept the fact it just wasn't going to happen with the design and layout it had to do it. My point being is with the design of these vehicles (engine compartment wise) you may want to accept the fact that some things work and some things just don't.

I would want to be reading what other people had to say about it that actually did the turbo charger conversion before I jumped into anything to see what worked and what didn't. I do like challenges for sure, what I like to figure out first of all though, is whats a Challenge and whats a Headache..:)
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby Gordon [OP] » January 12th 2009, 12:52am

Oh.... but i'm sneakey.... see the turbo will be under the van bolted at the collector :D

No room under the hood for it but there is room for an intercooler in front of the rad.

Even if i can gain say.. 80hp i'd be happy.... just love that turbo spool sound :P
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby astro355 » January 12th 2009, 2:07am

If you put the turbo under the van, you might be able to get away without using an intercooler. Moving cool air over the turbo and feed pipe will drastically reduce the air temperature.
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby Gordon [OP] » January 12th 2009, 2:13am

True but with an intercooler or alcohol injection i can get away with higher boost pressure before causing engine damage.

The 95 engine is very very similar to the ones used in the cyclone/typhoons... they had the balance shafts also.

This engine is by far the smoothest 4.3L i've ever owned.
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Re: 95' 4.3L intake setup - CPI or MPI?

Postby astro355 » January 12th 2009, 2:18am

Gordon wrote:True but with an intercooler or alcohol injection i can get away with higher boost pressure before causing engine damage.

The 95 engine is very very similar to the ones used in the cyclone/typhoons... they had the balance shafts also.

This engine is by far the smoothest 4.3L i've ever owned.


You are not going to push higher boost pressure on a non-boosted stock engine. The engine would not last very long. There are several important differences between the N/A 4.3L V6 in our vans and the boosted 4.3L V6s in the cyclone and typhoons. If you want to put the turbo on it, you will need to spend the money on the block (or get ahold of a cyclone/typhoon block) to keep it running. Otherwise, its going to turn into a paper weight.
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