sudden death!!!

sudden death!!!

Postby Snowman [OP] » April 30th 2009, 5:04pm

Hello, here is my problem.
My `90 astro all of a sudden wont start. I changed pluggs, wires, rotor and cap. It just won`t fire up once in about 20 times. stone dead.
The starter runs, but it`s like, the ignition isn`t on. Then I leave it for an hour or so, and she fires up perfectly like nothing ever happend. When it runs it runs great. smooth idling, good performance, no stalling. Does anybody have a clue whats wrong, or where to start looking??
Thanks!!
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby TheChad » April 30th 2009, 5:11pm

I would say try a fuel pump!!!!
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby Snowman [OP] » April 30th 2009, 5:17pm

I changed the fuel pump last year. When she goes into "sudden death" mode. I still hear the fuelpump whining for a couple of seconds when I try to start her.
Thanks for your answer anyway!!
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby ihatemybike » April 30th 2009, 5:49pm

Sounds like when my '94's ignition control module went bad.
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby Snowman [OP] » April 30th 2009, 6:11pm

Where do I find the ignition module? and how dow I find out It`s bad? Is there anyway to diagnoze it?
The last two times this happend was just when i changed the gear from Park to Reverse, just as i felt it shifted to reverse it died and wouldn`t start again.
This is maybe an coinsidense but anyway.....
And of course this happens more often, with the wife driving it, rather than myself.....Women....
Thank y`all for helping me out here!!!
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby ihatemybike » April 30th 2009, 7:10pm

Located at the base of the distributor. Here's the fun part, it can be bad and test fine when removed from the vehicle. When they age they become affected by heat. It could start sometimes when the engine was cold, but never when hot. My GF, now wife really got a kick out of using her Ranger to push me home two miles the last time it happened before I just replaced it, despite it testing good.
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby Snowman [OP] » April 30th 2009, 7:30pm

Thanks Aaron!!

I`ll try to change the little sucker!! I sure hope It`s not an expensive deal... Living in Norway/Scandinavia It`s not always an easy task owning a old chevy.
The parts price are ridicolous up here. But I can`t part with her. She`s given us so much, and when I treated here with a set of 20" chromies, 2 sqare mtr. with new steel underneath and a respray, she actually looks quite nice.
I`ll try Ebay but maybe you or anybody can give me a hint where to look for a shop in the states which carry Delco parts. I`m kind of tired of the cheap locost china parts (no offense) which you have to change over again in short time due to poor quality.
yours sincerly
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby ihatemybike » April 30th 2009, 9:25pm

I shop http://www.RockAuto.com for parts a lot.

The part you are looking for is ACDelco #D1943A - $59.79
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby Snowman [OP] » May 1st 2009, 9:34am

Thanks again Aaron!!
Great site. I see that there are brands like Moog and Raybestos which are priced over Delco parts. Are theese better deals when it comes to quality?
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby ihatemybike » May 1st 2009, 1:53pm

Most of us swear by Moog for front end parts. Don't know too much about Raybestos.
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby Leeann_93Leeann_93 is online! » May 1st 2009, 3:12pm

Moog is well worth it for front end parts. Raybestos for braking stuff is also well worth it.
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby Snowman [OP] » May 5th 2009, 7:10am

Thanks again everybody!!!
I`ve ordered a new ignition module and a new distributor pick up.
I`ll keep you posted. Sure hope this solves the problem.....
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby Snowman [OP] » May 9th 2009, 9:39pm

Got the distributor pickup, ignition module, and a blowerswitch today! 5 days postage from the States, and 104 bucks isn`t bad!! Here in Norway the GM parts dealer asked 3000 Kroner. That`s about 473 bucks for them.......and needed about a week to get them.......
I`ll try to install it in a few days
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby Snowman [OP] » June 7th 2009, 2:40pm

Well I changed the ignition module, and the ignition pickup, when I was at it. Now it wont even start normally. It will only start when pressing the throttle pedal half way down. Then I have to work with the pedal to make it run. As soon as I release the throttle it dies. Anybody know where to start looking for faults. I marked up the distributor when I took it out. But I`m not sure if I have to adjust the timing, nor how to do it.
Help would been appreciated!!
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby rev_les » June 7th 2009, 4:11pm

double check the distributor reference, for future knowledge, it doesn't need to be removed to change the pickup or module.good luck!!
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby Snowman [OP] » June 7th 2009, 4:57pm

Thanks rev-les!
I loosened the distributor clamp, and started it. then roughly adjusted it so the engine idles without dying. I`m now in the prosess of adjusting the timing and trying to figure out how to hook up my ignition strobe light. I`m looking for the "-" wire on the coil to hook it up according to the manual. I will adjust the timing, and check the egr-valve. Anybody who can explain where to find it? and how to properly adjust the timing with a strobe light?
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby rev_les » June 18th 2009, 3:07am

Just feel compelled to correct my last post here.... the module can be replaced without dist removal... the pickup DOES require the dist to be out... sorry!
P.S. Make sure you put the gear back on the same way, and put the unit back in correctly, which, if you didn't turn anything, the oil pump drive probably will keep you from getting the distributor to seat any way but 180* out.
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby Matrixx » June 18th 2009, 8:43am

It sounds like your out a tooth on your timing Snowman. Hook the strobe light wires up to the battery and the clamp up to No.: 1 cylinder. Please keep us updated, thanks.:)
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby CaptSquid » June 22nd 2009, 7:40am

The problem I'm currently dealing with is the coil itself. But I'll keep in mind the ICM when I have more $ in my pocket.
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Re: sudden death!!!

Postby Snowman [OP] » September 26th 2009, 9:41am

Thank`s everybody for the good help!
I changed the ignition module and the pickup. Adjusted the timing, and this summer (in Norway) we drove her for just over 5000 km`s. She didn`t misfire or refused to start one single time!!!.
Keep up the good work!!!
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