Lousy gas mileage!

Lousy gas mileage!

Postby Wiper [OP] » June 4th 2009, 2:45pm

Hi

I'm having a gas mileage problem...at 102 liters - it drives only approx. 300 Km - and the idle are very unstable...

I also just returned from a guy that had a computer on the van and a Exchaust measurement.

It read error code 35+44 - and had a very bad CO2.

So I'm thinking that's the "Air Control Valve" that has a problem - so I will now also try to change this.

But can someone tell me where I can find a "step by step guide" for doing that (picture guide) and a engine layout picture...?
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby RichinMD » June 4th 2009, 3:28pm

First thing, what is the year of the vehicle and/or what type engine do you have? I am looking in my manual and code 35 (assuming you have an OBD I system) is an Idle speed control error (carbureted engine) or an Idle Air Control error (fuel injected).

Code 44 is lean exhaust.

If you had just one or the other of these codes, I would recommend changing the associated parts, but it sounds to me like you need a tune up and to check your timing.
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby astro355 » June 4th 2009, 3:34pm

Sounds like a vacuum leak to me.
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby RichinMD » June 4th 2009, 3:37pm

Yeah, that's the first thing it says to troubleshoot for the lean exhaust.
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby astro355 » June 4th 2009, 3:39pm

Well, considering that the OP has lousy gas mileage, a lean exhaust code and the IAC code, that's where I would start.
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby Wiper [OP] » June 4th 2009, 7:14pm

Hi

what is OP ?

It's a Astro 1995 fuel enjected vortech engine

vacuum leak are very difficult to find (for me).....all the lines according to the vacuum diagram are checked...

35+38+44 are all the error codes.

Previously changed - map sensors, oxygen sensor, pcv valve, egr etc... it runs - but not 100% perfect...
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby astro355 » June 4th 2009, 11:49pm

OP = original poster

The easiest way to find a vacuum leak is to use a small bottle of propane, like the ones you would use for those mini camping grills. You would attach a rubber hose to the end of it. With the van running, you would open the valve on the propane and then move the end of the rubber hose over each vacuum hose, then over all gasket areas (throttle body, intake, etc) and any other areas that seperate the intake charge from the outside atmosphere.

If/when you find the leak, the propane will be sucked in the leak and the idle will increase. It will sound like you stepped on the gas a little. You really can't just look at vacuum lines and such to determine if its leaking or not.
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby toddb » June 5th 2009, 12:09am

Astro355 forgot to mention to make sure you are smoking a big fat one while performing the propane test. j/k
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby gtkane » June 5th 2009, 4:15am

toddb wrote:Astro355 forgot to mention to make sure you are smoking a big fat one while performing the propane test. j/k

I thought that's how you find propane leaks...he,he!
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby astro355 » June 5th 2009, 5:17am

gtkane wrote:I thought that's how you find propane leaks...he,he!


Quoted for truth.
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby Wiper [OP] » June 17th 2009, 10:02pm

Hi
I've repalced the Idle air valve - no change - still getting a code 44

I havn't been able to find any small bottle of propane, used for this mini camping grills - so instead I used some fuel an diesel engine start (on a aerosol) - but no response from the engine with that...;0(

so I'll guess I have to get that propane somehow...
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby astro355 » June 18th 2009, 12:18am

You need to find that leak before you change parts. Please use the propane.
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby webcat » June 18th 2009, 1:08am

A hillbilly told me you could use starter fluid instead of propane ! I dont know if this is true .
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby astro355 » June 18th 2009, 3:03am

Starter fluid doesn't work as well as propane. Propane works better because its a gas (as opposed to a liquid) and is easily carried by air.
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby webcat » June 18th 2009, 3:49am

Learn something every day , someday i'll be pretty smert !
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby Mr_Bowtie » June 18th 2009, 10:40pm

This is the first I have heard of using propane too. Thats awesome.....I will never use carb cleaner again. Good tip 355! 8-)
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby gwd » June 19th 2009, 5:57pm

The propane bottle in the plumber soldering kit would work also. Just open the nozzle a bit and wave over all connections, hoses and manifold mating surfaces.
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby Wiper [OP] » June 20th 2009, 5:09pm

Hi

I was going to change the Throttle Posistion Sensor today (got i by a mistake - so why not change it?)

Anyway when I removed the different hoses etc. I disscovered that a little line/hose was just hanging underneath the TPS - found out that it was:

"tube - fuel vapor canister purge" no 36 on this image (need login first):

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/repair ... 52800a8026

So mounted that (and not the new TPS - I'll maybe do that tomorrow) went for a drive (3 miles) to buy propane and the SES was "quiet" all the way - The car acted as the PCM had to make some adjustment - how long are the PCM to "reset" itself?

Got the propane can (only thing I could buy, was a little "weed burner" with a handle and a long hose/burner- (and not that kind of weed guys..;0)...) anyway did the propane inspection at the different hoses and intakes and the car didn't respond in the Idle run. - So I'll assume everything are correct now and I'll have to see how it goes on a full tank now...

thank you guys for all the feedback!
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby Wiper [OP] » July 27th 2009, 10:43pm

just a follow up:

It was the ignition that was way off...got i adjusted and now I drive aproxx. 800 km on a full tank.... :swerve:
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Re: Lousy gas mileage!

Postby astro355 » July 27th 2009, 11:27pm

What tipped you off that it was the ignition being off?
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