Lets talk about timing advancing

Lets talk about timing advancing

Postby jrsride2002 [OP] » December 31st 2015, 4:09pm

Hey guys!
I just ordered my new basic Distributor for the RWD! Yay me! :banana:

I would like to advance the timing, for a little more of everything. A little more throttle response, and a little more mpg. I read a post, about a year ago, that someone here would advance it by 20 degrees(??) by spinning the gear one tooth or something like that. I can't find the post with the search, but I am hopeful that others would help me with this topic, for I have not found anything dedicated to just advancing the timing.

I have never done a dist. job before, i have read enough, watched a couple videos off the Tube of You, and feel comfortable with doing a basic replacement. Going beyond that, is not something I have really found.
I have read that you would have to buy MSD electronic style dist. to do the advance, because the computer would go haywire otherwise. I have read, as I mentioned, just spin the dist. an extra gear or two. And I have read, "Don't do it, leave well enough alone" from others.

I would like to also do this for my AWD project, but I am using my RWD as my guinea pig. So if I do it wrong on the RWD, I can adjust, and do correctly for the AWD.
Looking to talk and read what you guys have said and done, JUST about advancing the timing via the dist.

Thanks for you help and insights guys,
~Junior
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Re: Lets talk about timing advancing

Postby chevymaher » December 31st 2015, 4:31pm

You got one choice. Reprogramming the computer. Because you have the dreaded crank sensor. And it basically shuts the engine down if you move the timing.

Using a Gen 1 distributor hold down does give you the ability to spin the distributor around setting timing tho. But this can only be used to get the computers marks lined up or it goes into retard misfire mode.
This is necessary some times due to tolerances being off a tad. Crank sensor and distributor must match to what the computer wants them to be.

There have been past threads where a new distributor was put in. And it misfired like crazy. Scan was saying the distributor was off and it is non adjustable. They filed the distributor hold down to allow it to be adjusted a slight bit and that solved it.

But there is a lot to be gained if you dial the Timing in to what the engine likes and not what the engineers decided it wants. And 2 identical appearing engines do like slightly different timing. 1-2 degrees can get rid of stumbles make it run smoother. Rev free er. Just overall more enjoyable to drive.
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Re: Lets talk about timing advancing

Postby jrsride2002 [OP] » December 31st 2015, 6:27pm

chevymaher wrote:You got one choice. Reprogramming the computer. Because you have the dreaded crank sensor. And it basically shuts the engine down if you move the timing.

Thanks Maher!
What about if someone added one of those MSD's with on board rocket propulsion system computers built int the side of it?? It won't be me, way beyond my budget.

What would it take to change the computer settings, in order to advance the timing? Not asking, "Which shop should I go to". More along the lines of, could it be something I MIGHT want to look into doing myself? If not, what kind of questions would I want to ask whichever shop I call?

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Re: Lets talk about timing advancing

Postby chevymaher » December 31st 2015, 7:06pm

There are jet programmers. Or extremely expensive scanners.

Programmers cost 3-500 bucks. For ones I know work. There are 50 dollar versions on E Bay I can't speak for and know nothing about.

Other options are buying a USB OBD2 connector and get a free program to do it. Of course you need to take a college course to learn how to use it.

This is part of my hatred for computers. Anytime they are involved simple free adjustments cost as much as buying a car practically.

"Better and easier" The computer is called. Translates in the real world to. Extremely expensive and almost impossible to operate. And we are forcing to to accept factory suk azz settings.

Ask anyone saying they are "Better and Easier" How they work they either don't know or can't explain in laymens terms how to use them.

So ranting aside Jet programmers only work on one vehicle at a time. Another money scam. You buy the tool but it only works on one thing at a time.

But they are easiest to use for a non computer graduate without a 8 year degree in programming.

I own a gen1 with OBD1 so I only know how to defeat the computer for free on them.

But feel free to google and hunt and search forums. If you find anything that works on the cheap I all ears.
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