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help in spoting knock off tires

Postby paintdrying [OP] » April 10th 2011, 11:15pm

My question do some tire companies make two tires that are the same size, type, name model ect but are actually different. For example, if I find a tire at Costco, then find the same tire at tire rack, are they completely the same in every way? I am wondering if tire companies make a special tire just for places like Costco. So in theory, a tire store will have better tires than Costco.
The reason I ask is because home depot sells plumbing faucets that look exactly the same as the plumbing supply houses. But they are built a much differently.
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Re: help in spoting knock off tires

Postby Phantom » April 10th 2011, 11:47pm

Several of the Major brand tire makers will make a tire for a particular retail sales shop that is nearly the same as a model that they sell under their own name , the tire will still be a very good tire but it may have a very slight difference , maybe a slightly different tread pattern that can only be noticed in a side by side comparison , if not side by side you not likely to see the difference .
It just marketing so that a company like Costco will buy a large bulk of tires and sell them only through their stores . The major name brand sells bulk loads of tires and makes money and the Costco gets them at a low enough cost at bulk rate to make a profit , the tires will have the same UTQG rating , treadwear , load range etc. and the same mileage warranty . The tire will also have the Tire makers brand name on it , just the model name will set it apart

There are safety concerns with tires , if they are made of inferior quality and cause an accident the tire maker can be held liable for damages ,

a faucet that leaks is not likely to cause harm to anyone ,
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Re: help in spoting knock off tires

Postby chevymaher » April 11th 2011, 12:05am

and paintdrying you da man.i about fell down when I read that shirt.i got a its not a bald spot it a solar panel for a sex machine shirt.because I got the controlled burn thing going on up top.
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Re: help in spoting knock off tires

Postby kennyj » April 11th 2011, 12:25am

I was just looking on craigslist and found this listing for a set of "Hooster Tires". :lol: Is Hooster a knock-off of Hoosier?

http://dubuque.craigslist.org/pts/2316044113.html
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Re: help in spoting knock off tires

Postby tedanderson » April 11th 2011, 12:32am

I think that the tires are pretty much the same with variations in the product numbers. Like if you buy that faucet from Lowes and then try to take it back to Home Depot, they'll immediately know that it did not come from their store when they scan that barcode even though both stores sell the EXACT same faucet.

I also figure that Costo wouldn't want a reputation for selling inferior products on their Kirkland label.
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Re: help in spoting knock off tires

Postby chevymaher » April 11th 2011, 12:37am

Kennyj that new front end on your van looks awsome.Good job.
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Re: help in spoting knock off tires

Postby throrope » April 11th 2011, 10:42pm

Except for the most recent set on the Trailblazer, our tires are Michelin from Costco. I put 75,000 miles on each of the Astro's last two sets.

In recent years tire prices have gone through the roof. Costco was more competitive in the past, but the difference is slimmer. What you can't beat is the lifetime balancing and rotation, included road hazard, nitrogen inflation (green caps) and lack of fine print.

The set on the Trailblazer was bought from a local chain franchise and started a little cheaper than Costco, but that changed when I picked up the car. To add insult, their lifetime rotation didn't include balancing, or in other words is just another way to get you later.
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Re: help in spoting knock off tires

Postby cowboydan » April 13th 2011, 1:19am

best thing to ensure a long life of your new tires is a mechanically sound suspension, and a fresh wheel allignment. i will shy away from cheap tire sales because you will get what you pay for in the end. the nice thing about tire rack is that they actually do test all their tires, if you can find the same tires cheaper locally it's a bonus, the red tape involved with tire technology, means that 2 tires with the same name would be the same tire. similar isn't the same. slight differences mean that the tire was produced with a different mold or a different compound may have been used. costco sells tires in bulk, not really wholesale. the tire company pays costco to sell specific tires at costco. costco could have a hundred contracts to sell tires, other small tire companies buy up major tire companies old patents/ molds then pruduce older designed new tires and sell at discount tire stores. and that is where quality ends and crappy tires begin. don't get fooled by tire warranty, just cause it won't cost you when you get stuck on the road, doesn't mean you won't get stuck on the road. and warranty means little when that term is applied to quality.
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Re: help in spoting knock off tires

Postby throrope » April 13th 2011, 2:50am

cowboydan wrote:best thing to ensure a long life of your new tires is a mechanically sound suspension, and a fresh wheel alignment.


I agree, worn out and loose suspensions will ruin the best of tires, but caution against routine alignments, especially the free checks with new tires. I had a poor experience with an alignment that was done with a strut change. Shortly thereafter, the outside tread on the new driver's side tire wore bald. :shock: Took two more tries on my dime to finally get it right and no other parts were replaced. Later I learned replacing those struts doesn't disturb the alignment. :doh:

I suggest only touching it when needed. Our 195K Astro has never had an alignment and tires run 75K. I get the 80k tread guarantee and for some reason October, 75K and the buy three get one free sale coincide. :shrug:

cowboydan wrote: i will shy away from cheap tire sales because you will get what you pay for in the end. the nice thing about tire rack is that they actually do test all their tires, if you can find the same tires cheaper locally it's a bonus, the red tape involved with tire technology, means that 2 tires with the same name would be the same tire. similar isn't the same. slight differences mean that the tire was produced with a different mold or a different compound may have been used.


I agree and am glad you found success with Tire Rack. I stick with Michelin tires. I've found them durable and the tires go the distance on the tread wear guarantee. I've had less luck with other major brands and now don't desire a different experience.

cowboydan wrote: costco sells tires in bulk, not really wholesale. the tire company pays costco to sell specific tires at costco. costco could have a hundred contracts to sell tires,


I'm not sure if you're knocking Costco, but I have heard that they have interesting arrangements with manufacturers. Must work for most since I keep seeing the same year after year. I appreciate their complete lack of nonsense. I've brought our 158K Nissan back on both sets within a week for balance. An hour later they hand me back the keys and wished me a good day. I took back a cut tire and quicker than a meter maid the tech handed me the prorated credit while rolling the replacement to the lift. In reference to the above post, the tires on the Trailblazer (above) from a national chain are the exact model and make available at Costco.

cowboydan wrote: other small tire companies buy up major tire companies old patents/ molds then pruduce older designed new tires and sell at discount tire stores. and that is where quality ends and crappy tires begin. don't get fooled by tire warranty, just cause it won't cost you when you get stuck on the road, doesn't mean you won't get stuck on the road. and warranty means little when that term is applied to quality.


I agree, too much bait and switch, watered down commitments and over priced work connected to warranty service is commonly encountered. The best guarantees I've had are the ones I didn't need.
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Re: help in spoting knock off tires

Postby Phantom » April 13th 2011, 4:28am

It is ultimately the consumers responsibility to do the homework on what quality a product is before purchase ,A company called Discount Tire Company is a very reputable company , they will even allow you to drive on a set of tires for 30 days and if for any reason you don't like you can exchange them for anything else you desire . They offer a free pro rated tire replacement warranty and for about 12 bucks per tire a full free replacement tire brand new all the way till you reach the tread wear bars , it like 3/32 in. Michelin tires are among the very best tires made and they make clones of their name brand models and sell them to companies like Discount Tire , take the Michelin Destiny ,only available at Discount tire , it is the same as the Michelin Harmony with a slight tread pattern difference , obviously it cannot have the exact same , as it is the Destiny , you can go to the Discount Tire website and read all the reviews of how everybody loves that tire , Michelin makes a clone for Costco as well , I don't recall what it is called . They do the same with a model called X radial .Michelin does not have all the store front retail outlets like Goodyear does so they sell through other tire dealers , It is not an old mold or patent it is a contract Michelin still makes the Destiny in their own plants that make the Harmony carries at least the same warranty that Michelin offers , You can say it is like a cannery that puts different labels on a can of tomatoes , not the same mind you but similar ,it is just business marketing . what Michelin does do is even though they own and operate BF Goodrich and even make some of them in the same plant as Michelin tires they use a different compound formula and build process but we all know that BF Goodrich is a quality tire , not the very very best but quite good .

I agree that the suspension should be checked out and repaired if needed , it is all in the smart consumer approach , and at 12 bucks a tire that can give you a brand new tire no questions asked even if you put 65,000 miles on a 70,000 mile tire as long as it has at least 3/32 in tread you get it free if you have a blowout from a pothole or road hazard, it pays to do the research when thinking about buying new tires .
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Re: help in spoting knock off tires

Postby cowboydan » April 13th 2011, 5:32am

throrope, i'm not knocking costco, every major manufacturer has contracts with retailers and wholesalers. if you buy a cheap tire, that's because it is. the only good deals on tires are mainly from the big boys. but there are lots to choose from. as technology advances, we find that tires change under our noses much like computers.

phantom, the bfg that i own have been around longer than me. they used to be called a preformance tire or summer tire. today they are the same grippy soft compound, except they are now classed as a sport allseason. that is a result of finding ways to make the best tire. once apon a time my tires were the best, but the statement you make is true, they are far from the best now. so i settle for a good tire with exceptional capabilities....
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