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work truck doing strange things !

PostPosted: January 27th 2011, 10:09pm
by RECox286
I have been down with ??? and on antibiotics for about a month now. No, that is not the problem with the truck.

1) When I went to start the engine and I got raspberries from the battery. It was stone dead. Took the battery into the garage to do a quicky test, and slow charge. When I took the caps off the cells, I saw Ice. ( Oh no, Mr. Bill !)

Thought it was strange that the doors were all locked, cause when it snows, I do not lock the doorlocks. Found the driver side Pwr lock sw jammed in the lock position. More Oh no, Mr Bill... Any way that explains why the batt is toast, I think.

2) Took the spare battery out to the truck, and when I hooked up the last connection, I got a surprise. There was no key in the ignition, so nothing should have happened, however the starter cranked all by itself. Sounds like the starter relay may have welded. After getting the engine started, the Bendix failed to retract. Shut the engine down, and the starter quit (Yay) Start the engine again: Seems that all is quiet on the western front this time. ??? Huh ???


I'm pretty sure I have a spare switch down in the man cave, so no problem there.
The battery is way less than I year old, so if it won't revive that shouldn't be a problem.
I can't remember the last time I replaced the starter, but I guess it's time for either a fresh starter or at least a relay.

Thanks for listening... Thoughts ???

Bob

Re: work truck doing strange things !

PostPosted: January 27th 2011, 10:36pm
by paintdrying
convince yourself it never happened. If you tell your self the lie enough, you will start to believe. Those starters are easy to rebuild. Probably just as well to buy a new one. It will come with a new solenoid.

Re: work truck doing strange things !

PostPosted: January 27th 2011, 10:53pm
by RECox286
Hey Paint,

Ya know, I was trying like the devil to remember that the starter has a "solenoid" not a relay. Sometimes the words are on the tip of the tongue, but just won't come out to play. Ha. Thx for the jolt.

Yeah, I've done quite a few starter rebuilds, usually when the bendix and ring gear have had words with each other. Mostly I will go for a professionally rebuilt starter. That
way I know that everything is fresh, (Bearings, armature, brushes, solenoid, T/O arm, Bendix, etc.) Never have complained about the $$, just want it to go in the morning when I stick the Key in the Slot ! (The "ounce of prevention " thing, if you follow...)

Bob

Re: work truck doing strange things !

PostPosted: February 7th 2011, 4:52am
by RECox286
The weather has allowed further poking and proding into the problems:

Reasoning that if the starter cranked the battery to death, it probably melted the motor and I was not in the mood to trust that just a new solenoid would be a good way to go, so...

For starters, I replaced the starter motor. Went to hook up the battery, and the starter went off to the races again. Hrumph, that aint good, sez I.

OK, Maybe the Ignition switch is out to lunch. Ripped out the steering column, and unplugged the connectors. Tried hooking up the battery: starter went off to the races ... Hummm ?

Started to look at wiring, and connectors (behind the battery). Found one corroded fusible link, that was severed completely, and 2 connectors that were not in the best of shape (corrosion) but had no evidence of shorts. With the fusible link repaired, and the firewall connectors disconnected, I tried to hook the battery...Off to the races again.

At that point, I ran out of daylight, and had to clean up for dinner. So, Now I am thinking a wiring problem at the bottom of the starter harness, allowing the start post on the solenoid to be hot.

I'll let you know what I find/do next. But, I think that a solution lies in the wiring now. Just have to find it. Cars ! Pain in the Bucket...

Bob

Re: work truck doing strange things !

PostPosted: February 19th 2011, 5:40pm
by RECox286
UPDATE:

I finally got the weather and gumption I needed to really look things over.

Took the starter out, and played with the connectors and a Multi-meter: could not find any troublesome indicators of why the starter cranks when I hook up the battery. So, I reinstall the starter, but when I hook up
the battery cable to the solenoid, I notice that the "key" on the cable is not in the slot of the solenoid. Then I start to look hard at the wire connector that attaches to the "start" post. There is a spot that is completely worn thru to the barrel of the connector. Ah, Ha ! The battery cable must have been misaligned from the get-go, and finally, with enough vibration, wore thru the insulation of the solderless connector.
Which means the battery cable has been misaligned for ??? miles/years.

It took some effort and twisting to get the battery connection clocked where it should be on the solenoid, but now the truck works like its' former self and not some haunted "Christine".

Thought you all might get a laugh outta this one, I did... after the fact. (Well, maybe at least a heads up to insure that when you change starters, to STOP-LOOK-&-LISTEN)

Bob

Re: work truck doing strange things !

PostPosted: February 19th 2011, 9:16pm
by Big_kid
Thanks for the update!