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Re: Starter wire not adding up pls help

Postby AstroWill » January 3rd 2019, 9:18pm

You can always link to it,
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Maybe do both:


It's nice/helpful to get context as well from where it was copied from.

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Re: Starter wire not adding up pls help

Postby qbubuu [OP] » January 3rd 2019, 11:30pm

sixsix wrote:Really...

All these cameras - everybody has a flash phone camera.
No Pics though.

A photo before you started would be good - now you can shoot a couple.

People take photos of the dessert they had 2 weeks ago and their new underwear in the bathroom every hour.

No pics of your Starter, Battery or Fusible Link in this anxious situation??
It is my understanding - " you came here " and these guys speak from experience and time and Money !!
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I apologize. I intended on posting pictures but the flash on my phone won't work due to a low battery. Basically, I've wired things as depicted in a few diagrams I've recieved and i no longer get a grinding sound indicative of a bad starter but all I get is a click. I don't THINK I fried a fusible link because the sparks came when reattaching the battery and it was only touching for a few moments but there were sparks and a wisp of smoke. Kinda hard to take pictures under the circumstances honestly. Dont have a jack or anything. Its been raining and dark and my phone battery has been low and the angle is super awkward as well. I'm hoping to have this resolved asap and I'll definitely try to post any information to help the next man.
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Re: STARTER WIRING NOT ADDING UP PLS HELP

Postby qbubuu [OP] » January 3rd 2019, 11:32pm

TBLBill wrote:You'll only know for sure if you wire everything correctly and try it, or test the wire with a multimeter to see if you burned up a fusible link. After my frame swap I mixed up two starter wires; I didn't have sparks, but the alternator wasn't charging the battery. There's a fusible link in the thick wire that goes from the starter to the alternator that may have been burned up.
Try connecting everything properly and see what works and what doesn't. The loops on each of the wires connecting to the starter should fit in their studs pretty closely, so you should be able to easily tell which wires go to which posts.


Well I've wired everything up the way I understand it should be and there is no grinding but just a click and no start.
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Re: STARTER WIRING NOT ADDING UP PLS HELP

Postby qbubuu [OP] » January 3rd 2019, 11:36pm

TBLBill wrote:Price from a mechanic depends on what went wrong. If you just burned the fusible link, you'll need to replace the wire from the starter that feeds the alternator, which shouldn't be much more than an hour in the shop. There's always a chance that something else got fried though - alternator, battery, starter, starter relay circuit and other connecting parts. Don't freak out at the chances, just realize the possibility.

Now that the van isn't starting, does the starter crank or not? From your post it seems to me that you just didn't connect the power wire, so it arced between the starter and the wire, making sparks and causing something down there to smoke. If the starter isn't cranking, then you may have burned out the starter or some of the electrical parts going to it.


The wisp of smoke came from the battery when attempting to reconnect. With everything properly connected (at least as i understand it) I'm getting no crank, no start. Just a click. The starter and the wires seem fine visually.
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Re: Starter wire not adding up pls help

Postby TurnNburn » January 4th 2019, 12:07am

It doesnt matter how fast you think you were able to remove the battery cable. the fuseable link is a circuit protector designed to protect the circuit from damage from improper wiring, like what you did. Lightning happens pretty fast too and look how much damage that can do. no sparky spark or smoke is a good sign. clicking noise sounds like you solenoid is getting power now, but your fusible link still may be dead and not sending juice to the starter motor itself. or perhaps your battery has lost its charge. Do you have any sort of multi meter to check for voltage at the big stud of the starter?
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Re: Starter wire not adding up pls help

Postby AstroWill » January 4th 2019, 12:18am

Never seen a fusible link in the battery cable that runs to the starter.


Sure sounds like a dead battery to me.

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Re: Starter wire not adding up pls help

Postby TurnNburn » January 4th 2019, 12:31am

:shrug:

There isnt one in mine at least. Usually if a vehicle has it, its right at the positive terminal. Just reiterating what others have mentioned
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Re: Starter wire not adding up pls help

Postby AstroWill » January 4th 2019, 12:41am

TurnNburn wrote::shrug:

There isnt one in mine at least. Usually if a vehicle has it, its right at the positive terminal. Just reiterating what others have mentioned


Not on any Astro that I have ever seen. Yep, it would have to be at the battery to serve it's purpose. I have my money on a dead/dying battery. But the OP answered some of the other questions, not the ones I asked about having the battery or starter tested. Maybe the OP is out there getting those tested as we speak.

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Re: Starter wire not adding up pls help

Postby TurnNburn » January 4th 2019, 12:57am

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Re: Starter wire not adding up pls help

Postby markmitch » January 4th 2019, 1:11am

The fuseable link is actually in the wire between the starter and the alternator it should be a section of wire right by the starter. At least on my 89 that's where it is. It protects both the starter and the alternator. I believe it was 10 gauge originally but mine is 1 gauge because I did the upgrade to go along with my 145 amp alternator and high torque mini starter.
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Re: Starter wire not adding up pls help

Postby AstroWill » January 4th 2019, 1:15am

markmitch wrote:The fuseable link is actually in the wire between the starter and the alternator it should be a section of wire right by the starter. At least on my 89 that's where it is. It protects both the starter and the alternator. I believe it was 10 gauge originally but mine is 1 gauge because I did the upgrade to go along with my 145 amp alternator and high torque mini starter.

We all know about that fusible link, and it protects the wire going up to the alternator, doesn't do anything to protect the starter. That wire doesn't even have to exist for the starter to function.

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Re: Starter wire not adding up pls help

Postby Sailing_Faith » January 4th 2019, 1:46am

Ok, so first... welcome to the forum. You will get this figured out.

So, the starter circuit basically goes from the ignition switch, to a relay under the hood and then to the starter solenoid (built into the starter).

When you first had the problem, you mention hearing something 'grinding'... that would likely be the starter motor... it sounds like you replaced it.... so you have new starter right? (just to clarify and help trouble shoot).

if you have all three wires hooked up correctly, and you are still not having luck you 'may' have gotten a new starter that is defective.... you 'may' also have damaged something when you shorted out the wire that was not connected.

so, first... lets troubleshoot before you spend any more $$$... :) You can start by some really simple stuff... check the connections on the battery. It is easy to have a ground cable get corrosion on it and make a poor connection. this would cause both your original problem and the one you have now.

Also important to note is that the starter may not have been your original problem at all... it could have been the relay, or even something else...

So, clean the connections to the battery and make sure they are tight.

While you have the positive connection disconnected, you can also re-check the connection to the starter. You really should not have much trouble now that you know that there are 3 wires that connect... one small terminal, and two larger wires on the large terminal.

As Will pointed out, the second wire on the large terminal (the smaller of the two) is only going to the alternator. You probably had that one connected the first time you installed the starter.... that wire would not have sparked. The large wire is like the main 'pipe' for current to go from the battery to the starter.

Once you have it all hooked back up, you try it... do the lights on the dash come on? Do the gauges move? Do you have a meter to see what voltage you have at the battery?

if this has not fixed it, try opening the fuse box under the hood. Check the diagram to identify the relay marked 'starter relay" Have someone turn the key while you feel the top of the relay with your fingers... can you feel it clicking on?

There are two other identical relays, try swapping one of the others into that spot... see what happens.

If it clicks, and you still dont get any action at the starter then you can try tapping on the (yes, I know it is new) starter with a hammer... even if it is new, it may work (note: this is what you would want to try in the first place before you replace the starter)....

Next step would be to either try to read the voltage on the small wire with a meter while the key is turned (if you have a meter) or removing the starter and taking it back to the shop you bought it from and ask them to test it to make sure it works.

Post back here to report you findings.

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Re: Starter wire not adding up pls help

Postby sixsixsixsix is online! » January 4th 2019, 3:30am

qbubuu wrote: ... I apologize. I intended on posting pictures but the flash on my phone won't work due to a low battery. ...

Sorry to hear about that pesky Battery. :naughty:


Seems that's a theme here...
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