1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby zazooma [OP] » January 8th 2019, 6:49pm

Does it have one? I see it depicted in my Haynes 1985-2005 Repair Manual, but not mentioned in my original dilapidated Owner's Manual, which is missing pages 6-23 through 6-32, as well as index pages numbered above page 6.

At the moment, the following circuits are not working: adjustable speed wipers, adjustable brightness dome light, instrument panel general illumination and horn. The full power wiper and full power dome light circuits still work.

The electrical rear hatch release (I have the Dutch Door option) is also not working, but that problem might have preceded the others, as the rear door locking control relay board had gotten flooded from the rear hatch window gasket leaking, which I have since repaired.

In an unrelated matter, but which steered me to look for an under-hood fuse-relay center, I had recently tried to hot wire my fuel pump to empty my full, heavy tank (see other thread) and did so by pulling out what I am pretty sure is the fuel pump relay out of its socket, and I jumped the two heaviest wires with a paper clip, and on my initial jumping contact, I saw a tiny spark, but now I no longer make or see such a spark when I touch the jumper across those socket contacts, so I was wondering if I might have blown another fuse doing that, which led me to page 12-24 in Chapter 12 Chassis Electrical System in my Haynes manual and it depicted a so-located fuse in its Typical 1994 and later V6 Engine controls drawing (3 of 4).
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Re: 1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby sixsix » January 8th 2019, 11:03pm

Manuals are avail. here on the Forum - scroll down some - they start at 1993, I think.



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Re: 1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby AstroWill » January 9th 2019, 1:22am

zazooma wrote:Does it have one? I see it depicted in my Haynes 1985-2005 Repair Manual, but not mentioned in my original dilapidated Owner's Manual, which is missing pages 6-23 through 6-32, as well as index pages numbered above page 6.

They are painfully obvious when they exist, I don't think you could really miss it.
Some of the owners manuals are here: https://www.astrosafari.com/viewforum.php?f=110

zazooma wrote:At the moment, the following circuits are not working: adjustable speed wipers, adjustable brightness dome light, instrument panel general illumination and horn. The full power wiper and full power dome light circuits still work.

Best place to start is the fuse panel, with a meter.

zazooma wrote:The electrical rear hatch release (I have the Dutch Door option) is also not working, but that problem might have preceded the others, as the rear door locking control relay board had gotten flooded from the rear hatch window gasket leaking, which I have since repaired.

Check your fuses, usually on the same circuit as the cigarette lighter/power outlets.

zazooma wrote:In an unrelated matter, but which steered me to look for an under-hood fuse-relay center, I had recently tried to hot wire my fuel pump to empty my full, heavy tank (see other thread) and did so by pulling out what I am pretty sure is the fuel pump relay out of its socket, and I jumped the two heaviest wires with a paper clip, and on my initial jumping contact, I saw a tiny spark, but now I no longer make or see such a spark when I touch the jumper across those socket contacts, so I was wondering if I might have blown another fuse doing that, which led me to page 12-24 in Chapter 12 Chassis Electrical System in my Haynes manual and it depicted a so-located fuse in its Typical 1994 and later V6 Engine controls drawing (3 of 4).

Gotta be careful jumping things, but it's possible that the fuse is blown. Might want to get started with a meter and see what exactly is going on there.
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Re: 1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby Big_kid » January 9th 2019, 4:12am

My 95 does not have an under hood fuse box.
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Re: 1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby jeff's93astro » January 9th 2019, 5:38am

x2 my 95 doesn't have one either. Those started in 96 with OBD II
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Re: 1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby M_a_t_t » January 9th 2019, 3:45pm

x3 my 95 doesn't have one under the hood either.

Where is Coaster? We need a x4 :D
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Re: 1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby zazooma [OP] » January 31st 2019, 10:33pm

It has been too friggin cold for me to work on my Astro van, but the registration expires tonight and so I have to move it a few miles to store it until I take care of the formalities of registering it in my new state of residence.

Unfortunately, it now isn't running. A couple of months ago, I started another thread regarding my fuel tank, and this thread evolved, or devolved from that one. There are three seemingly identical relays under the hood, on the firewall, and without getting into all that I did, didn't do, should have done and shouldn't have done, the way the engine kicks and then fails each time I try to crank start it, I presently believe that the fuel pump primer circuit works but then the enduring, "run" circuit is dead. If it wasn't fifteen degrees out and breezy, I know how to confirm my theory, but I'll settle for a short cut for today and store the vehicle and finally fix it right when the temperature rises 30 to 40 degrees in a few days.

What I'd like to know is, when the engine is running, does the fuel pump run constantly? That may seem like a dumb question, but I am an old guy who cut his teeth in the era of mechanical fuel pumps that sourced carburetors, and frankly, I don''t know how the needs of modern fuel injectors may be satisfied by the fuel pumping system. If the pump runs constantly when the engine is running, then I will probably just penetrate the insulation on the heavy wire that goes from the relay socket to the pump and inject the 12 volts right there. I have some of those "tapping" connectors like the ones used when adding in a car radio where you squeeze them with pliers and they slice through the insulation and contact the conductor. Can I do that just to get the car to limp to the storage lot? It will save me a hundred dollar or so if I can do that.
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Re: 1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby TBLBill » January 31st 2019, 11:06pm

Yes, the pump is constant with the engine running. If the pump cuts out while running, the engine will die.
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Re: 1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby Big_kid » February 1st 2019, 1:30am

Sounds like a plan to get it where it needs to be, but PLEASE don't use those scotch locks on such a crucial circuit. Make a jumper wire with spade terminals to bypass the relay and take it completely out. I've seen too many problems caused by those circuit taps, I throw them away whenever they come with a new piece of equipment.
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Re: 1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby AstroWill » February 1st 2019, 5:53am

Yep, you can easily bypass the fuel pump relay with a jumper, but no reason to damage any wires doing it.
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Re: 1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby Leeann_93 » February 2nd 2019, 12:04am

Please, please, PLEASE do NOT use scotchlock connectors under any circumstances.

I cannot stress that enough: do not use scotchlock connectors anywhere on your vehicle. Ever.
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Re: 1995 Astro "under-hood fuse-relay center?

Postby sixsix » February 2nd 2019, 12:27am

Holy Moly - doesn't ANYBODY have a photo of the nefarious monster connectors.
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Postby Leeann_93 » February 2nd 2019, 12:36am

Terrible pic, but here you go (in the bag with other connectors):

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Postby sixsix » February 2nd 2019, 8:42pm

The Mods ( OK... and the admin folk ) on this Forum are the Best.

I have 241 of them ( Blue ******* ), just couldn't get down there to get a pic. Never used them either.
Ya' know how we are... nice to have a lot of something - even if they're not worth a ****.
And asking seemed easier than searching - "God love ya' / bless your heart".

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Postby Big_kid » February 2nd 2019, 10:15pm

Because healthy electrons are blue. Weak electrons are a bit more pale.
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Postby AstroWill » February 4th 2019, 4:52pm

Big_kid wrote:Because healthy electrons are blue. Weak electrons are a bit more pale.

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Postby sixsix » February 5th 2019, 8:20pm

Big_kid wrote:Because healthy electrons are blue. Weak electrons are a bit more pale.


TMI :whack:



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Postby Big_kid » February 6th 2019, 5:19am

TMI? How is it TMI? Most of us here have seen various colors of spark. We always ask for a "healthy blue" spark, and tell people to check their grounds if they have a "weak yellowish-orange" spark. Stands to reason that healthy electrons are blue!
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Postby sixsix » February 6th 2019, 10:44am

Big_kid wrote:TMI? How is it TMI? Most of us here have seen various colors of spark. We always ask for a "healthy blue" spark, and tell people to check their grounds if they have a "weak yellowish-orange" spark. Stands to reason that healthy electrons are blue!


Blue this, blue that - every thing is BLUE, Blue, blue
Sparks, and more sparks, spray it, in the dark, water, motor running - quite intense, get that blue.

We gotta' see BLUE Sparks.


TMI... yeah. Being COLOR BLIND makes it tough Kid.
With Braile "BLUE" markings on everything does not help.

Healthy? ... "check my grounds" WHaaat?

Well. that's :2: about "Blue TMI" ( LOL-here at "Too Much Information" & I'm Kidding Headquarters )

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

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