Simple Solar Install, 100w, Charge controller...

Simple Solar Install, 100w, Charge controller...

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » September 10th 2016, 9:40pm

I cant count the number of nights I have spent on the road, and camping in my van... I know I have documented at least 4 of my trips back and forth across the country here. :driving:

I have changed the interior lights to LED, and I run a small Engle refrigerator. It draws 2.4a when it runs, and runs more when the ambient temp is higher... This is not one of those Coleman type pelter plate coolers, this is a legitimate fridge that I have installed on boats for years... it is also favored by many in the off-road voyaging tribe.

I have a small (20w) panel I put on the dash when I am stopped more then a day. It can mostly keep my battery topped off.

So, I am going to install a 100w Monocrystline panel I just bought from Amazon (Renology). I cant believe how much the prices have come down! It will go over the front seats on a mount hard mounted to the roof.

It will run the wires (8ga) back along the rack to the back passenger side where they will pass through a clamshell and drop down the back pillar to the area where the jack is stored.

From there it will connect to a 20a MPPT charge controller. The panel will charge at around 5a max so the 20a controller is plenty.

For now, the output will go forward under the van in a 6g wire to the start battery. Eventually I will mount a second battery under the van in front of the fuel tank.

Here is the panel sitting where it will mount.

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Just set in place


The curvature of the roof was more then I anticipated so the 2" angle aluminum is not going to make the bracket i planned. I just had to order some 3" Angle.

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From the bow


I'll update as it comes together.
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Re: Simple Solar Install, 100w, Charge controller...

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » September 10th 2016, 11:42pm

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Postby AstroWill » September 11th 2016, 3:13am

Sailing_Faith wrote:I cant believe how much the prices have come down! It will go over the front seats on a mount hard mounted to the roof.

They sure have, Home Depot recently had a 160watt panel from Grape Solar for $199, it's amazing how cheap they can be had these days.

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Postby Ksmith » September 11th 2016, 7:02pm

Hey, off topic, do you like the white roof? I'm thinking of doing this to my wife's black Astro. It sits so high, if I paint the perimeter black and the center white, I think it would look good. Does it make any difference on heat in the van?

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Re: Simple Solar Install, 100w, Charge controller...

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » September 11th 2016, 10:47pm

Ksmith wrote:Hey, off topic, do you like the white roof? I'm thinking of doing this to my wife's black Astro. It sits so high, if I paint the perimeter black and the center white, I think it would look good. Does it make any difference on heat in the van?

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It is a little early to tell exactly how much difference I will see in the interior temperature, but yes I like it. There was a thread where I discussed this and our resident mad scientist (Lumpy) actually took his IR thermometer out on a sunny day and measured the read numbers.... so yes, I know there will be a significant difference... just not sure how significant. I knew that I would like the look, as others did some great photoshop work for me...

Take a look at the thread here; viewtopic.php?f=11&t=82162
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Postby TurnNburn » September 12th 2016, 5:47pm

I just bought that same kit. The prices just cant be beat.

Are you running a secondary house battery?
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Re: Simple Solar Install, 100w, Charge controller...

Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » September 24th 2016, 8:26pm

SO I got my 3" angle in, and cut a couple of 6" lengths. Looks like it will work just fine.

So, the dilemma I have now is that I had intended to place the base under the panel. I wanted to put them like this;

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But now I am thinking the bases facing out to the edges of the roof might be better. This would allow them to be mounted on just the raised ridges of the roof. The raised ridge seems good to me since they are less likely to leak.

(would also be more easily mounted at right angles to the edge of the panel).

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This is the way I am now inclined to mount it.
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Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » August 6th 2020, 4:55pm

Realized I never updated this...

System works great. Installed 70ah AGM battery inside the panel behind the drivers seat where the rear heater core would be.
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Aux battery and control relay


The relay is connected to the primary battery (top post) with 2/0 welding cable. It is controlled by a switch on the dash.
It is a 3 position switch.

“off” leaves the relay alone and keeps both systems separate.

“On” turns the relay on and it stays on... in this position I can; Start the van on the aux battery, charge both the van and aux from the solar panel, and run all van accessories from both Aux and primary batteries (like playing the radio).

”Auto” only energizes the relay when the van is running... this is my default setting when my solor solar might not be keeping up and I don’t want to take the chance of killing the van battery with the fridge and fan.

The solar controller feeds the Aux battery but could charge the van battery with the control switch on.

There are two dedicated Marinco heavy duty 12v outlets, one for the fridge and another for my fan. After years of living full time on boats with 12v I find these pricy 12v outlets are the only ones that last over time. They are wired with 10ga wire.
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Postby Wiley » August 6th 2020, 6:03pm

Nice follow-up, always good to see how it turned out. Reminds me, I should hook my batteries back p so they don't drain.
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Re: Simple Solar Install, 100w, Charge controller...

Postby 97cargocrawler » August 9th 2020, 3:47am

I have not driven my van or my truck in four months. The van has two 100W panels on the roof and 5 batteries to charge - fires right up every time. The truck got nada and two batteries - batts at 1v, truck is dead af.

I just purchased 2 100W Renogy panels and a 40A Renogy Rover for the truck a few days ago. Whether you're out camping and roadtripping 24/7 or doing absolutely **** because your pandemic F'd like me... SOLAR IS AWESOME. Everyone should have a panel on their roof.
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Postby MechBob » August 9th 2020, 2:01pm

"Everyone should have a panel on their roof." Gotta disagree. While good for those in warm areas, not so good where the batteries get cold.
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Postby augidog » August 9th 2020, 3:34pm

I've had a folding 100W 10A setup for several years, and at the moment I have an old microwave cart with 4 35ah SLA's and a USB/cig lighter panel, voltmeter, 400W inverter. charges all my devices and provides patio entertainment. runs my 3gal 100psi 110V compressor too.

while onboard solar may not be for everyone and every situation, I think some form of solar is something everyone should consider having. I know folks with more money and toys than I have, but no solar solutions. if the SHTF, they'll all come running to me for a charge.
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Postby Leeann_93 » August 9th 2020, 5:59pm

I have cheap little solar battery maintainers from HF in all my vehicles. No matter how long it's been since I drove my Tercel, it fires right up because the battery stays fully charged. In the Jeep and the Astro, it provides enough to keep the battery charged despite the computer and radio draws.

Best part is, no mounting, no controller. 12w plugs for the Jeep and Astro and battery clips for the Tercel (cigarette lighter isn't hot when the key's out), and quick-connect clips to change from one to the other. Second-best part is cheap.

Then again, I've only got one battery in those vehicles. We have looked at adding solar to the RV but we've never gotten around to it.
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Postby doogaloo » August 9th 2020, 8:53pm

Flexible solar panel held down with magnets. C-Tech charge controller. Keeps the refrigerator running 24/7. 100W panel.
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Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » August 10th 2020, 1:51am

doogaloo wrote:Flexible solar panel held down with magnets. C-Tech charge controller. Keeps the refrigerator running 24/7. 100W panel.


What refrigerator are you using? I have had three Engles (sold off the other two)... they are great and don’t use much power.

I hope you have better luck with the flexible panels then I have, had a couple sets over the years that have not held up.... you have a great mounting arrangement, that should help a lot. I think the reason mine failed was from flexing while being moved or flapping in the wind. :confused:
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Postby Sailing_Faith [OP] » August 10th 2020, 1:54am

Can’t edit the earlier post, so here are a couple more pictures...

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The charge control switch


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Dedicated ‘Marinco’ outlet from the ‘Load’ terminal on the controller.


Most solar controllers have a ‘load’ terminal. These are oft misunderstood, and their exact function varies slightly by the controller. On mine, this terminal has a low voltage cut out (~11.4vdc) and won’t let whatever is plugged in draw the battery down any lower. I use this outlet for my fan, and for charging things like camera batteries.

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The fridge, the stove, and the charge controller...


This outlet is from the DC Buss. The fridge plugs into this, it has its own voltage sense circuit (goes to eco mode at 12v and shuts off around 11v).
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Dedicated ‘Marinco’ outlet from distribution bus.


After years of experience with different DC outlets I find the ones made by MarinCo to be the only ones that hold up... granted most of that experience was on boats and salt air is really hard on any electrical connector, but after having a cheap one catch fire years ago I find it is worth spending the coin to get the best.

Both outlets are wired with 10ga wire with 10a fuses.
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Postby augidog » August 10th 2020, 4:32am

after I re-wired a friend's 22' Bay Runner, from new batteries to new dash, I was hooked on marine-grade components.

you really got it going on there, nice wiring and final touches. pretty slick move with the magnets too.
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Postby 97cargocrawler » August 10th 2020, 6:09am

MechBob wrote:"Everyone should have a panel on their roof." Gotta disagree. While good for those in warm areas, not so good where the batteries get cold.


I guess if you live in constant cloud cover or a cave. A charging battery is certainly warmer than one not charging. Aim the panel at the sun and it will be more efficient than summertime.

Wrap the battery in reflectix and mount it inside the van.

Better tell those peeps on the ISS their panels are useless.
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