Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby 1992safari [OP] » August 24th 2020, 1:07am

Am on a long road trip in my 1992 safari camper van. Have been driving this thing as my daily driver for the past 2 years and its served me well... put 42k miles on it in the past 2.5 years.

THE ISSUE: Pulled into a campground last night after a long day of driving, van was running fine. Packed up this morning and was about to head out, turned the key and NOTHING.No instruments, no radio, fuel pump, blower fan, etc...

1. tested battery. 12.8 volts, all good.
2. Checked terminals on ground and positive, all good.
3. Checked all fuses. All fuses are good. I only have 1 fuse panel under the dash, none under the hood fiy.
4. Checked all the fuse receptacles on the panel, only the horn/dimmer and tail light fuse slot has power.

At this point the only thing i can think of is that the ignition switch went out. i was driving on some pretty washboarded dirt roads yesterday.

i cannot seem to get to the ignition switch without pulling the steering wheel. And looks like i need a puller to get that off.

any Ideas? anyone experienced anything like this before? I've never had any electrical problems on any cars ive owned except corroded terminals and i keep those clean and tight on this car.

is there a way i can by pass the key switch and put a push button start in? i dont care about having a key so much as getting back on the road.

thanks for any replies. im not going anywhere haha
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby MechBob » August 24th 2020, 1:54am

Are you stuck away from home?
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby 1992safari [OP] » August 24th 2020, 1:56am

Yes. About a days drive away from where i live. there is a small town that has a NAPA about 1/2 hr away from where i am now that im thinking i will get it towed to tomorrow.
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby MechBob » August 24th 2020, 2:02am

Do you have a voltmeter or test light?
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby 1992safari [OP] » August 24th 2020, 2:16am

yup a multimeter
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby MechBob » August 24th 2020, 2:26am

OK,will give you a rundown of possibles,not necessary in order to check.But,with key on and wiggling them might find your problem also.Common problems---Loose corroded wire at starter,on the big stud.The smaller wire coming off also has a fuse able link in it.Bad battery cable end(not very likely). Your ignition key is not the ignition switch,it moves a rod to activate the switch,it is mounted farther down the steering column,on top of the tube.The connector is known to melt.Behind the battery,going into the firewall,there are 4 small wires in a row.They are fuse links.But,rarely go bad,BUT the push on connection,where they plug into the firewall sometimes burns.OK good luck!
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby 1992safari [OP] » August 24th 2020, 3:09am

Pretty sure this is what you are talking about...

went to unplug the connector then plug it back and and it looks like 2 of those fusable links are burnt out!

im hoping this is all it is...

does these being burnt out mean i have a short somewhere and they will burn out again if i replace them? or do they just burn out sometimes?

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im guessing ill replace the entire plug?

thanks!
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby MechBob » August 24th 2020, 3:16am

They are not burned,just hard,old age and vibration.If you can find stuff,you cold splice what is left into the wires,you would have to cut off the big black bumps,which has to be done anyway.If worse comes to worse,you could twist and tape them.You may have broken them by moving them.but is really good chance that is your problem.
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby 1992safari [OP] » August 24th 2020, 4:11am

That was it! had some smaller gauge crimp connectors and put those on and taped it up real good until i can put a better fix on it tomorrow.

started right up, thanks for the help!
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby Birdshake » August 24th 2020, 4:17am

Glad you got it figured out! I had a similar issue with an ‘89 G30 the fusible links going into the firewall were old and brittle and weren’t allowing enough power through.
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby MechBob » August 24th 2020, 4:19am

Glad to hear it,have a safe trip.Maybe when you get home,throw a few bucks at this web site,to keep it going.It tells how on here somewhere. OK,I'm off to bed.
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby augidog » August 24th 2020, 4:42am

that was an amazing remote fix, Bob. good on ya.

1992safari, in my opinion you did your part of the job well, too, by presenting detailed symptoms and paying heed to advice. this is now "experience" under my belt, which I will likely need myself someday.

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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby 1992safari [OP] » August 24th 2020, 9:59pm

Yes thanks again, and i will definitively consider donating. I've browsed these forums quite a bit. Extremely helpful for people wanting to keep these vans going!

Ended up crimp connecting and taping those two wires off, gonna see if i can get a whole new plug online.

Feels so good to be back on the road!
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby MechBob » August 25th 2020, 1:19am

There is no known "pigtail" repair connector,that has fuse links in it.But I am working on finding the right pigtail(I think I have) then fuses could be added to it. Will post when I am sure.
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby sixsixsixsix is online! » August 25th 2020, 1:32am

Yeah, really Bob... nice work.
I thought of the 'behind the battery fuse link thing' ( the actual technical term ) too ...

... but only cuz' it has been brought up on both Gens here in the last couple weeks.
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Re: Dead In The Water (no power to ignition)

Postby MechBob » August 25th 2020, 1:45am

OK, the repair connector is the same as for a heater blower resistor,many years of GM.The part # is-PT391,the GM part # is 12102762. I do not think it has fuse link wire in it,BUT GM shows it as an approved part to repair the Astro fuse links.Oh,also,if the other side of the connector burns up,the wires can be connected to the bold beside it.It is hot from the battery,is what feeds what the connector plugs into.Pretty sure I did that to my 94,many years ago,when it died away from home,and I never changed it,lol.
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