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Postby AstroWill » November 3rd 2020, 7:08pm

stent wrote:looking online, found this for sensor thread size :
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got the OEM part number from amazon, confirmed it on GMPartsDirect.com as fitting 2000 camaro.
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GM 13587697 ACDelco 15-51342 https://amzn.to/3l71OW8
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby stent » November 3rd 2020, 11:21pm

WinnieVan wrote:Would be sick if someone added AC support....

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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby stent » November 6th 2020, 4:57am

here's some pics of the camaro sensor from the JY :
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby stent » November 20th 2020, 8:22am

this should be the weld in port for the sensor to attach to :
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i don't know if there is a place on the van's ac where you could screw this fitting in - that would make it really easy !!!
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby AstroWill » November 20th 2020, 8:29pm

I like where this is heading!

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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby stent » December 6th 2020, 6:56pm

i haven't forgotten about this thread but the JY selection of camaro's & firebird's here in denver is poor....
the best?? right now is this '98 firebird :
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website pic of '98 firebird @ denver u-pull

not a good candidate for parts out of the nose.
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby AstroWill » December 8th 2020, 5:42am

stent wrote:i haven't forgotten about this thread but the JY selection of camaro's & firebird's here in denver is poor....
the best?? right now is this '98 firebird :
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not a good candidate for parts out of the nose.

LOL, yeah, might want to look elsewhere for AC parts :)

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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby WinnieVan [OP] » December 8th 2020, 6:03am

This forum rocks.... great work!! Will be super slick if you can figure this out. You can do it!!
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby stent » December 9th 2020, 1:09am

the AC high side aluminum tubing outer diameter on my van is 3/8". the diameter of the JY camaro tubing i snipped off is also 3/8" at the pressure sensor, but on the evaporator side of the sensor the tubing bulges out to a larger size right after the sensor bung :
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if i can find a sensor on a length of 3/8" tubing without the bulge, an alternative to having the sensor port welded to my high side tubing would be splicing in a piece of JY tubing with the sensor bung using 2 of these splice fittings :
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dorman 3/8" splice fitting

link to Dorman splice fitting at amazon :
https://www.amazon.com/Dorman-800-641-D ... 1HFJYNNK7N
i have the plain, front only AC - the best place i see for locating the sensor is on the vertical section of the tube between the service port and the connection to the evaporator (left side of the picture between brass fitting and 90 degree bend) :
tube.jpg

the unknown here is if there is enough straight length in the van tube to splice the section in.
i haven't tried to get a price for a shop to weld on a new bung, as compared to the price for 2 splice fittings.
the most professional installation would be to get a new line section and have the bung welded on to it.
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new tube @ rockauto
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link to new tube at rock auto :
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.ph ... 33&jsn=934
both the splice method and bung-weld method of attaching the pressure port mean that the refrigerant must be evacuated.
before i commit to either of those choices, i want to try and find a t-fitting for the service port that i can use to mount the sensor to one outlet with some kind of adapter fitting. i don't know about hood clearance or how easy it would be to accidentally break the fitting off, but if a t-fitting could be made to work the refrigerant doesn't have to be evacuated, or the t-fitting could be considered temporary until the system HAD to be evacuated for some reason.


more stuff for the shopping list :

here's a dorman twin electric fan that is a direct fit replacement for a 2002 camaro with V8 (no connectors, relays or wiring harness included) :
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dorman 2002 camaro fan

link to dorman fan at amazon :
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001C6L5I2/re ... automotive

the large capacity 3-row welded aluminum radiators on ebay have come down in price :
radiator pic :
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ebay 3-row radiator

link to radiator on ebay :
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Row-CORE-Alu ... SwcYxZjVAz
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby stent » February 9th 2021, 9:21pm

i got one of the welded aluminum radiators from ebay for $150.oo shipped. looks nice....
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now i have something to plan the electric fan mounting around...



the 2 links below might be useful for this thread. the linked threads from performancetrucks.net and silveradosierra.com discuss adding electric fans controlled by the ECM to silverado/sierra trucks with mechanical fans.
according to the threads, 2005-06 silverado electric fan relays are mounted separately from the rest of the underhood fuse box and can be removed as a unit with the wiring attached for the ECM - i haven't seen what the 1998-2002 camaro relays & wiring look like & don't know yet if the silverado version would be something useful to use instead, so i added the links for future reference.
:text-link: https://www.performancetrucks.net/forum ... vy-484892/

:text-link: https://www.silveradosierra.com/under-c ... 1-130.html

pictures of the silverado efan relay unit & wiring (not mine, pics from linked threads) :
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silverado relay assembly

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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby WinnieVan [OP] » February 9th 2021, 9:54pm

CFM has a nice diagram of that three relay system... it's definitely robust and nice that it is outside the main fuse box.
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby stent » February 9th 2021, 10:11pm

WinnieVan wrote:CFM has a nice diagram of that three relay system... it's definitely robust and nice that it is outside the main fuse box.

is the camaro/firebird relay setup a part of the main box ?
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby WinnieVan [OP] » February 18th 2021, 12:18am

i'm not sure
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby stent » April 6th 2021, 10:33pm

adding some links to fan kits for future reference....
:text-link: link to dorman fan kit for 2002 camaro :
https://www.amazon.com/Dorman-620-634-R ... let+Camaro
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dorman fan kit #620-634 at amazon; $140.00


link to a radiator & fan combo on ebay :
:text-link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/114273234890?_ ... gIDs_D_BwE

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ebay radiator & fan; fits 1996-2005 astro/safari; $198.00


:text-link: link to fan kit on ebay :
https://www.ebay.com/itm/160781874497?c ... gIPsPD_BwE
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ebay twin fan kit; fits 1995-2005 astro/safari; $245.00
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:text-link: link to derale twin fan kit at summit racing :
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/der- ... gIbVfD_BwE
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derale fan kit at summit; $245.00


:text-link: link to flex-a-lite twin fan kit at amazon :
https://www.amazon.com/Flex-lite-298-Un ... 3842302316
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flex-a-lite fan kit #298 at amazon; $351.00


:text-link: link to flex-a-lite fan mount kit for #292 fan at amazon :
https://www.amazon.com/Flex-Lite-29201- ... B003EOBO2M
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flex-a-lite 29201 fan mount kit at amazon; $56.00
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

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Postby stent » April 6th 2021, 11:10pm

dcsleeper wrote:I'd like to have your pocketbook!


hi dcsleeper,
thanks for adding to the wish list!!
i am still hoping to get something out of the junkyard but haven't had any luck yet.......

grab of '99 astro radiators at 0'reilly auto parts, i included this for the core dimensions :
rads@oreilly.jpg


here's a grab to go with your reference to the cobalt/g5's, of 2009 g5 radiators at O'reilly with the core dimensions :
g5.jpg


pic of the new radiator i got on ebay a while back :
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ebay radiator i bought

the core dimensions are :
17-1/2" high.
28-1/4" wide.
2" thick.
the width across the outside edges of the tanks is 33-7/8".
a number stamped on the bottom : ZE-YP002-S88.
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby stent » April 23rd 2021, 4:34am

i think i've collected all of the pieces to hook together a working AC line pressure sensor from sensor to computer :
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hi pressure line from condenser....in my van now. i plan on attaching the sensor somewhere along the vertical part of the tube in the left side of the picture


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new hi pressure line


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new pressure sensor & fitting to weld on the new hi pressure line


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new fitting


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new sensor


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crude mockup of new parts with everything still in packaging : hi pressure line/weld in fitting/sensor


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JY camaro sensor wiring harness with sensor connector, power feed to sensor, & sensor signal wire already terminated to plug into computer connector


WORM1.jpg
JY 12200411 computer with connectors, from 2002 safari - hopefully this will be workable with the least amount of reprogramming. i got the computer mounting bracket/battery tray from the 2002 also


next i need to figure out the exact spot on the hi pressure line to attach the weld in fitting, make a dot on the tubing with a sharpie, & get a shop to weld it on.
then i need to get a JY silverado relay box & wiring to power up fans, decide on fans, & on & on.
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Re: PCM Electronic Fan Control...

Postby WinnieVan [OP] » April 23rd 2021, 6:37pm

Honestly -- I'd just go with the volvo fan relay over the JY silverado box.... super easy and robust. You can easily use it to power a single fan or a double-fan.

I'm pretty sure I have one collecting dust in my parts box with pigtails! PM me if you're interested -- it's all yours for the price of shipping since I really want to see this build happen :)
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Postby stent » April 30th 2021, 7:56pm

WinnieVan wrote:Honestly -- I'd just go with the volvo fan relay over the JY silverado box.... super easy and robust. You can easily use it to power a single fan or a double-fan.

I'm pretty sure I have one collecting dust in my parts box with pigtails! PM me if you're interested -- it's all yours for the price of shipping since I really want to see this build happen :)


thanks :ty: WinnieVan :ty: but i think i'll stick with the plan for the GM truck relay stuff - i still need to ditch my black box and get an "0411" ECM swapped in to make this all work the way i want in my '99 so bear with me......the weather's getting nice so i'll start haunting the JY websites for stuff again :wave:
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