hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition switch

hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition switch

Postby trackvw [OP] » September 17th 2015, 7:00am

Hi , I need some Help

The ignition switch just broke ,

the key will turn on the dash lights etc , but the starter part is dead , no clicking or anything , just like it is not making contact

I would just like to hook up a simple push button , so turn the key for dash lights etc and press button, VROOOM :)

This is just a storage van , and to park a trailer on the street as my city does not let you park a trailer unless its hooked up !

So where are the starter wires ? colors ?
can I pull off something and get to these wires ?
or can I run directly from the battery to the push button and then to the starter ?

its a 1990 model if that matters , and cough cough a full size Chevy van , but I think the ignition is the same as my Astro

its dead in the driveway now, I had to use a come a long to pull it up there ,
but now I cannot get anything past it :(

thanks for your ideas.....
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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby RECox286 » September 17th 2015, 1:31pm

Without some poking and prodding, how do you know it is the switch ? Could be a starter or battery related

problem. You need to get under the truck with a test light and probe the small connection at the

starter solenoid (purple IIRC) and see if it lights up when an assistant turns the key to START.

As far as installing a single momentary push button for the start feature, that would be no problem

to do, all you need is a wiring diagram for your truck, and the stuff to do it.


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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby AstroWill » September 17th 2015, 2:39pm

I would start my testing by jumping the starter solenoid.

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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby trackvw [OP] » September 17th 2015, 8:55pm

Hi

does the purple starter wire go all the way up to the dash and stay purple ?

I do not care if I rip up the bottom of the dashboard ,

it would just be easier to use the wire that is already there ,
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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby Lumpy » September 17th 2015, 8:58pm

trackvw wrote:
does the purple starter wire go all the way up to the dash and stay purple ?



Probably. Or maybe not.


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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby icebrrg3rd » September 17th 2015, 9:05pm

If you're only starting it occasionally, you could grab a remote starter from your LAPS. It would also help diagnose if it is your ignition switch or the starter itself. Better than using a screwdriver to arc between the contacts.

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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby crispin » September 17th 2015, 9:55pm

Listen to the advice given.

Check that your starter is working correctly before adding a different switch.

Most likely your starter or relay has gone bad.
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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby trackvw [OP] » September 17th 2015, 11:52pm

starter works , where is the relay hiding ?

thanks
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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby Lumpy » September 18th 2015, 2:39am

trackvw wrote:starter works , where is the relay hiding ?



With respect -

Things aren't adding up here. If you knew that the starter worked, then it's confusing that you ask about "Is the purple wire [whatever]" or "where is the 'relay' hiding".

Maybe it's just a communications thing.

Is your starter working? How do you know?

Is your solenoid working? How do you know?


Wiring in a remote starter switch means you're really close to a gizmo that draws hundreds of amps of current when activated. It also means an EXTREME redneck workaround. I'm pretty sure everyone here is simply trying to figure out exactly what's wrong and what might be a simpler, safer, less expensive and more permanant resolution.

Can you help us (me at least) to understand that you're on the right track with your starter situation?


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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby trackvw [OP] » September 18th 2015, 3:23am

here is a drawing
http://www.elcaminocentral.com/articles ... an0001.jpg

the tilt Steering Column is all broke up from someone trying to steal the van years ago.....

so I looked inside the edge and you can see that the key switch moves the hook on the end , but the hook is not connected to the round rod , this round rod when pulled makes the electrical connection ,
You can not see this easily from the outside as there is a round plastic collar right at the dash that covers this round rod and the whole Steering Column end behind the steering wheel.

So I need to get to the rod so i can attach something to pull it.....

or maybe I can look at the electrical connection and see if I can hack into the wires,

this round rod is on the left side of the Steering Column, at least on a full size van you can see it through the side with a flash light ,
I will go out in the morning and see if its the same on the astro,

I have to thank my buddy Paul who told me about this , and now you know too....
if you can understand my ramblings....

More tomorrow
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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby icebrrg3rd » September 18th 2015, 4:31am

Yup, that's similar to the Astros, at least the 1st gens, it a Saginaw steering column, mine looks like that inside. I've messed with the actual ignition switch, it is hidden above the column actuated by that rod. If it isn't lined up properly, that rod won't move it to the actual "START" position on the switch. If someone FUBAR'd the column trying to steal it, there might not be something lining up properly. If you drop the column, you can see the switch move while you turn the key. It might be something as simple as bending (or unbending) the rod so the switch can move fully to the "START" position. I'd give that a look, just need to remove a few panels and undo some bolts/nuts and the column is down.

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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby crispin » September 18th 2015, 12:06pm

it looks like you are on the right track.

I have installed a few remote start systems.

This website will give you the diagram which will show you what wire needs power in order to make engage the starter.

http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/veh ... rolet.html

I would install a push button start if I was in your position.
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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby icebrrg3rd » September 18th 2015, 2:41pm

Just so you know, there are certain circuits that are opened (turned OFF) when you start the van that are closed (turned ON) while in the RUN position. Not sure if it really matters but just an FYI.

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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby Lumpy » September 18th 2015, 2:49pm

The cost to have a locksmith replace my ign cylinder was $35, parts and labor. In my van, pulling the steering wheel to replace the cyl is required. In some vehicles, it's not. Some here have replaced their cylinder without pulling the steering wheel. So that's presumably even less expensive.

I'm not sure if I could rig up a remote start switch for $35. AND by replacing the cylinder, I wouldn't have to worry about those circuits that are ON or OFF in the START position that Ice mentions.


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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby RECox286 » September 18th 2015, 4:09pm

So we don't really know if the ign sw is working or not, due to the connection rod problem

between the key cyl and the ign sw. Why not consider a quick trip to the JY for a steering

column, OR go ahead and do the momentary START button, IF you can figure out just which

wire to hook it up to. I would opt, if this were my problem, to do the latter, as it would be

the way of the resident redneck, hands down, and all you need is a diagram for your truck.

Lets not try to make this more difficult than necessary. HINT: it's going to be one of the

wires attached to the ign sw.

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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby crispin » September 18th 2015, 5:16pm

RECox286 wrote: all you need is a diagram for your truck.

Lets not try to make this more difficult than necessary. HINT: it's going to be one of the

wires attached to the ign sw.

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I have already posted a link to the wiring diagram.

What he wants to do is very easy and would take me 5 minutes to do.
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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby trackvw [OP] » September 18th 2015, 9:46pm

its back running ,

here is the way I did it , probably not the best way but it works....

get a dremel tool and round disc ,
find out where the rod that gets pulled is , now cut a chunk out of the cast base so you can grab the rod , the base is die cast or aluminum,
I cut a 3/4 wide by 1 inch back and snapped that part off ,
now you can see the rod that was disconnected , you can use a screwdriver to pull up the rod and you will feel the indents, dash light etc on and next indent is the starter,

So I did this and it started right up :)

OK.....the van is junk anyway , so how do you screw up junk ,

If I loved this van I would probably have done the same thing and then went to pick a part and got a complete column to replace this one ,

If you had the tools to pull off the steering wheel you might have been able to reconnect the rod , I did not have a puller.....

and I have been told that you can pull the rod up with needle nose vice grips and not cut anything !

so another Chevy adventure , I am glad this happened at home and not out on the road somewhere

I do not think just hot wiring it would work,
you do need to pull up the road as it gives power to ignition, fuel pump and fuel injection .

So I learned a lot , hopefully when you are never stuck somewhere with this problem , but if so you have a better idea what to do
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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby Lumpy » September 18th 2015, 11:34pm

Glad to hear you got it working without all that redneck engineering.

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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby 97cargocrawler » September 19th 2015, 12:29am

Nice work! I had something similar happen with my Land Cruiser and I used needle nose pliers for about a year to short the terminals on the ignition. I finally had to pony up the cash for a new one once I had completely melted of the terminals. :D
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Re: hook up push button starter button to bypass ignition sw

Postby trackvw [OP] » September 19th 2015, 2:52am

ohh this was redneck engineering , just in another way ,

I have lots of German cars and the key switch turns a plastic piece that has the electrical contacts in it,

I never thought of doing it this way , with a rod pushing and pulling a switch like a headlight switch ,

So I never would have looked for something like that ,

my buddy Paul always had Chevy Vans and also a repair shop, so he has come across this before,

Anyway I figure forums are for people to learn later how to fix stuff , so in a few years someone else might have this problem ! Hopefully it happens in the driveway at home !
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