WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby kennysmoke [OP] » November 10th 2015, 2:08am

I had a dead battery in my '01 Safari on Saturday... It was a bear to get it out, thought I was going to break stuff getting it out. It was in the van when I bought it couple years ago, it's a AAA 78-c. Swapped the one from my '03 Astro which is an Everstart Maxx 78-N. It was a tight squeeze to get it in but got it in and van fired right up and seems to be charging ok. Alt gauge reads about 14.3 on startup and settles to about 14.2 driving.

Went to Wally World to have the dead one tested, they said it tested fine just needed to be charged. I tried to put it in the Astro to hook up the charger I bought to it and can't get it to fit in... Both batteries are 800 cca... I'm just wondering has anyone else had this issue... What size batteries are you guys in the cold climates using?
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby DRZ » November 10th 2015, 2:46am

GM didn't make it easy did they !
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby astroman97 » November 10th 2015, 2:49am

10mm socket...remove fuse junction box outta the way...goes a whole lot easier
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby kennysmoke [OP] » November 10th 2015, 2:50am

DRZ wrote:GM didn't make it easy did they !


No they didn't DrZ... trust me this is not my first time... I've been driving these things over 24 yrs, have changed plenty of batteries in them
but this thing just won't go...
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby The Drummer » November 10th 2015, 2:55am

Probably not the size/model for the van , i v used all kind of anything that fits before in winter beaters ,the one i have now is a used delco that came from something at the junk yard , it measure a thad bigger than stock and was a pain to get in but it did . try this link.
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby kennysmoke [OP] » November 10th 2015, 3:04am

astroman97 wrote:10mm socket...remove fuse junction box outta the way...goes a whole lot easier


I thought about that astroman but after all the horror stories I've read with people having problems with connections on the back side of the fuse block I was worried about messing with it... my other van is down right now with another coil problem so I need to keep this one running. I'm still not sure what killed the battery... the only thing I had left plugged in but not on was my GPS... and I've never had an issue with that in either van... the AAA battery was in the van when I bought it in March of 2014 and I have no idea how old it is... but the van would not turn over with a jump... just clicked... as soon as I put the Astro battery in the Safari it fired right up and seems to be charging fine.
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby CopperFiremistCopperFiremist is online! » November 10th 2015, 3:50am

That battery is too big should be 75P
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby AstroWill » November 10th 2015, 3:59am

BCI Group78 is hands down the most common sized battery used in the A/S vans, it fits in all models.
Look for CCA rating of 700 and up, the higher the better, depending on your budget. I also like to have top terminals in addition to the required side terminals. It makes charging/jumping/adding accessories much easier and in most cases doesn't cost any more.

Gen1.5(95) and up - Group78
Gen1(-94) Some called for Group 75 but Group78 is always an option.
85-90 2.5l 4cyl engines - Some called for Group70 or Group75, Group78 is always an option.

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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby kennysmoke [OP] » November 10th 2015, 4:04am

CopperFiremist wrote:That battery is too big should be 75P


VP-78 Value Power VP-78

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MAXX-78N Everstart MAXX MAXX-78N

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800 CCA (Cold Cranking Amps)

$106.33†

These are the ones Walmart lists... I've been running the 78's in all 5 of my Astro/ Safari''s I've owned since 1992. Need the 800 CCA's in these cold climates to turn it over in the winter. In fact every one had a 78 in it when I bought it... this AAA one just won't go back in...
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby AstroWill » November 10th 2015, 4:11am

Have you tried Astroglide?

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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby RECox286 » November 10th 2015, 5:02am

Never had much trouble, like you are describing, getting a 78 group battery in or out of the truck.

If you think the Astro is bad, try servicing the battery in a Venture van. If fact try doing anything in a

Venture van !

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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby paulo57509 » November 10th 2015, 5:17am

The worst battery access is a 1st Gen Lumina passenger car.

To get the battery out, the air filter box has to come out the get to the terminal bolts. Then the diagonal fender-to-radiator support has to either be removed or swung out of the way to get the windshield washer reservoir out because it sits ON TOP of the battery. :violence-hammer:

Makes unbolting and moving the fuse box a piece of cake.
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby AstroWill » November 10th 2015, 6:31am

Or the early 2000 Dodge Intrepids. Ok so you start by removing the front passenger side wheel and tire...WTF

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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby zzimmer3 » November 10th 2015, 11:41am

AstroWill wrote:Or the early 2000 Dodge Intrepids. Ok so you start by removing the front passenger side wheel and tire...WTF

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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby Mmusicman » November 10th 2015, 2:04pm

kennysmoke wrote:..In fact every one had a 78 in it when I bought it...
this AAA one just won't go back in...

Well lets see........

1) Get a smaller battery
2) Take it to a professional.
3) Put it in the same way you took it out!
4) Move the fuse box out of the way (not sure what the big deal is)

That's all I got.
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby Corsemoto » November 10th 2015, 6:13pm

I vote for unbolting the fuse box and moving out of the way, especially on a top post battery.

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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby The Drummer » November 10th 2015, 6:26pm

Kenny , i found out in mine that the switch in the dog house compartment would not always be completely be pushed back enough to close the light and sure enough a few days sitting and batterie is outa juice , may not even be close to why yours went down but just in case .
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby RECox286 » November 10th 2015, 8:55pm

I think that the factory designers are under pressure to fit 15# of real s____t into a

virtual 5# sugar sack. Why is there not a limit to the amount of small doing big things,

or a push to go with larger things doing logical stuff ? I wonder...

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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby kennysmoke [OP] » November 11th 2015, 12:12am

Corsemoto wrote:I vote for unbolting the fuse box and moving out of the way, especially on a top post battery.

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That's what I'll do... I just looked up your battery Corsemoto Sears wants $224 for that baby... way out of my price range... I used to always buy the ones with both top and side terminals at Walmart but they stopped selling them several years ago. If I could find one with at least 800 CCA's for around $100 I'd buy it...
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Re: WTF... can't get battery to fit into van

Postby Corsemoto » November 11th 2015, 12:38am

That Diehard Platinum AGM is a re-branded Odyssey so a good battery but they have gone up in price. I didn't pay that as they were on sale for 20% off and some combination of online promo code and rewards deal they had. Still, not cheap but like I said, a quality battery and I've been happy with it.

Before I replaced the Interstate Mega-Tron, I researched specs/prices and almost ended up with an Autocraft Silver (manufactured by Johnson Controls) from Advance Auto because the specs were good and with $50 online promo code it was only going to be $80 out the door.

Another option might be Bosch Platinum AGM (Exide Edge AGM) from Pep Boys. I picked up one of those with a 30% online promo code / $20 Bosch rebate and has been great so far too - 4 year replacement warranty & 3 year jump start. I think they are 20% off right now and still have $20 mail in rebate.

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