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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 21st 2020, 8:16pm

Yeah, this stuff wasn't particularly cheap but not ridiculous... I think I paid about 35 for 5 liters on Amazon. Meanwhile, continuing to fix minor things that were beat up and/or broke such as the pcv system which was broke and leaking oil all over everything.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 21st 2020, 8:56pm

Also, I was looking at various fender flares at the junkyard and wound up grabbing a flare from an Audi allroad which had a great shape but is only barely wide enough for the van. I'm thinking of using it as a mold to form new fiberglass flares and see how that works. I also like the flares from the Montero Sport but couldn't get them off in the yard since they're riveted in place. I'll have to bring a drill to get them.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 22nd 2020, 11:22pm

Grabbed a $45 double din stereo from Amazon for the Jeep. Check out how tiny this thing is. The YouTube videos and reviews all claim it's surprisingly good. Can't beat the price and it even came with a tiny backup camera. We'll see how it does.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 24th 2020, 10:32pm

This bumper tucks so tight up under the grill that it took quite a bit of trimming to get it all to fit. Finally done and back together though. Still need to install the wiring and control box but the hard part is done. Looks decent enough and this winch gets good reviews so it should definitely be able to pull me out of the deep mud down at the mall parking lots and the occasional trip down well maintained gravel roads.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby Leeann_93 » June 24th 2020, 10:44pm

Sweet! Looks like you could double, possibly triple your money on that GC today. Easily.

Hey, I used a portable HF winch that I'd had for 2 years to pull the Liberty backwards out of my friends' garage onto the Uhaul car trailer. It worked great, so I imagine that winch will work a whole lot better than that.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 24th 2020, 10:55pm

Yeah, everyone turns up their nose at the cheap little winches but I used a 2500 lbs harbor freight winch on a trailer for 4 yrs to load cars, trucks, logs, etc. Flat tires, no tires, buried in garbage.. the little winch just worked. I figured I'd have to use a block/tackle to do anything tough with it but it never missed a beat. Ultimately I bought this one because it was beefy/manly looking and I liked the bright orange synthetic line. Haha That and it was only $250 with a couple yr warranty and had great reviews. Figured why not.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby sixsix » June 26th 2020, 1:09am

Sweet... as usual... yawn... some poor slob's gonna get a nice ride.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 26th 2020, 2:05am

I'm not gonna lie, this poor beat up Joop actually came around pretty decent. I took it out today and bounced it around some fields (and I do mean bounced.. this thing floats like a boat in the bumpy stuff). Haha
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 26th 2020, 2:09am

Meanwhile, I got back onto the van today and did a little light wrenching for the first time in a long time. It was exciting! Also did some interweb surfing, looking at Holly fuel systems. It was a little late in the day to call them but I'm going to reach out to their tech guys and get some guidance for a path forward. I'm looking at their stand alone systems but want to verify I cover all the bases to support a turbo setup.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 29th 2020, 2:52am

All this goofing around with the jeep has really motivated me to get back into the van. Step one, let's get this rack and pinion conversion knocked out. Couple questions for all you suspension engineers!
Minimizing bump stop seems to done by having the end of the end links fall as close to the line that intersects the pivot point for the upper and lower control arms (which ours does). See the pics for more info..
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 29th 2020, 2:59am

However, all the images I saw on racing sites and various front suspension manufacturers showed the tie rods essentially being straight out, pretty much perpendicular to the wheel/hub etc. but ours angle backwards a fair amount. I can't tell if thats for a reason or just because of the limited space.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 29th 2020, 3:06am

Does anyone know why GM angled the arms backwards the way they did? If there's not a specific reason other than packaging, I'll probably just come straight in and attach directly to the rack. Worse case scenario is ill do some testing to see what kind of bump steer that gives me and determine if I need to adjust locations from there.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 29th 2020, 5:00am

While we're on the subject, does anyone know why our tie rods have such an extreme angle to them? It seems like bump steer / toe out would be introduced as soon as the suspension started to compress at all.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 29th 2020, 11:29pm

Been talking to some suspension guys but ultimately, I'm going to just have to build this thing and see how it does.

I'm going to move the outer tie rod to the top of the knuckle arm to eliminate that steep angle and reduce the stress, binding, overcenter condition, etc.

It looks like I'm just inside the line connecting the upper and lower suspension pivot points which may affect the handling but it shouldn't be too bad (trying to minimize bump steer). We'll see. I'll just build it and adjust as necessary.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » June 29th 2020, 11:37pm

Im also going to move the rack backwards an inch or two to put it more in line with the steering arm on the knuckle. That should further reduce the stress on the tie rod when getting beat around off road.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby sixsix » Yesterday, 7:04pm

Like my Wife and her Mom used to say, "We can just move the stairs over there, and... and...and it would free up all this / that room".
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » Yesterday, 8:50pm

Haha, well hope it pays off. Not hard to reverse / back out of any mistakes but it'd be nice if things worked out. So here are the considerations I've come up with so far..
The rack length (from flat end to flat end) needs to be about 22.75 inches to fall on that line between the upper and lower suspension pivot points (to minimize bump steer). Less is better than more. This rack is 22.5"

This rack is from a 2000's 2wd Dakota pickup.

Pros: Compact and the correct length. Inboard mounting points where you have tons of room for mounting brackets. Super cheap/plentiful. Incredibly quick/easy to pull out of a junkyard donor.

Cons: Tie rod (both inner and outer) is undersized. I could put a bigger tie rod on it but the threaded hole for the inner tie rod (in the ends of the rack) are pretty small as well. M14 x 1.5 so there's that. YouTube videos showing failed and bent tie rods. This pic shows the difference between the 2wd and the 4wd tie rods.
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Re: 95 AWD camper van

Postby scorean [OP] » Yesterday, 10:36pm

The 2wd and the 4wd tie rods are almost the same diameter (5/8 vs 3/4) and both are tiny where they neck down into the ball. (Pic 1)
There are a couple of thicker solutions that should work (such as a Ford Escape) but these ones designed for racing UTV's are pretty serious. Designed to be slammed into rocks at 80-90 mph. Of course, those vehicles are a lot lighter thought too...
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