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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby Leeann_93 » January 12th 2021, 3:01am

WildBorego wrote:jb weld time!!!



For what, exactly?

The lower manifold has holes in it. On purpose. From the factory. Sealing a hole that was put there on purpose is kinda silly.
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby WildBorego [OP] » January 12th 2021, 3:06am

Leeann_93 wrote:
WildBorego wrote:jb weld time!!!



For what, exactly?

The lower manifold has holes in it. On purpose. From the factory. Sealing a hole that was put there on purpose is kinda silly.


So that's a factory hole?
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby Leeann_93 » January 12th 2021, 3:21am

It's in the same place as this one on the right, yes?

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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby WildBorego [OP] » January 12th 2021, 3:25am

Leeann_93 wrote:It's in the same place as this one on the right, yes?

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I got scared for a min there..... Thought I was gonna have to seal up some cracks
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Re: 95 SAFARI

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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby sixsix » January 12th 2021, 6:30pm

Interesting - 6 years of listening to people working on their Fuel Spider or LIM related problems...
- never once did I read of this hole or passageways to lower engine ( balance shaft/gallery ).

Breather or Gas Overflow drain... interesting, but that's about it.
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby AlpineVan » January 12th 2021, 8:01pm

Yeah, easy on the JB weld. That hole looks like one of the factory ones inside the intake for draining the oil that condenses in there via blow-by. I think it just looks like broken cast metal because its crusty from the carbon deposit buildup.

And besides...how on earth would a chunk break-off inside the intake manifold by itself? And even if so ... where did the chunk go without blowing up the rest of the engine?
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby WildBorego [OP] » January 13th 2021, 2:35am

Okay, so I replace the CPI with a Delco one and installed a new Fuel Filter.
I had to replace the connector on the Spider because it broke .... Hooked everything back up and guess what?

It won't start, turns over but nothing.
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby Leeann_93 » January 13th 2021, 2:43am

Fuel pressure, KOEO? Good hot, blue spark at plugs?

How many times did you attempt to start it? Did you allow for the fuel system to prime the injectors, which would take more than one prime cycle (something like 4-5, iirc)?
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby WildBorego [OP] » January 13th 2021, 2:46am

Leeann_93 wrote:Fuel pressure, KOEO? Good hot, blue spark at plugs?

How many times did you attempt to start it? Did you allow for the fuel system to prime the injectors, which would take more than one prime cycle (something like 4-5, iirc)?


I gotta find my fuel pressure gauge....
Tried to start it like 7 times now...
I pulled the wires at the Dist and they are sparking....

Maybe I gotta try again
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby WildBorego [OP] » January 13th 2021, 3:06am

I know there's fuel in the lines cause it does squirt from the schrader valve if I press it.
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby WildBorego [OP] » January 13th 2021, 4:24am

Well, guess what now?

I broke the Hood Release cable.... Snapped off.

So now I can even open the hood.
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby AstroWill » January 13th 2021, 4:46am

LOL, when it rains. Just slide a 13mm socket with an extension between the grill and the hood and remove the two bolts. Takes 20seconds, use a file folder or something to prevent scratches.

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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby WildBorego [OP] » January 13th 2021, 4:49am

AstroWill wrote:LOL, when it rains. Just slide a 13mm socket with an extension between the grill and the hood and remove the two bolts. Takes 20seconds, use a file folder or something to prevent scratches.


I just ordered a 10" extension from HD so ill have that in the morning.
I'm just going to replace the Spider again with another one that I have, just in case you know.
I'll put in an aftermarket one instead of the Delco one. It should have fired right up, I mean it turned before all this running like crap started and now it just sucks.
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby Leeann_93 » January 13th 2021, 5:19am

Getting fuel from the schrader valve doesn’t mean you have the pressure required to fire the injector.

You need to test first...why open it up again if that’s not the problem?
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby AlpineVan » January 13th 2021, 8:22pm

This^

Test fuel pressure, make sure its staying high with the key on (not cranking) and then observe if it drops while cranking.

I skimmed your thread quick, so forgive me if I missed it. But if you didn't already do the fuel pump/fuel filter, those are within the realm of normal maintenance items that you should replace anyway.

And seeing as you've had a ton of wiring issues, check the wires going to and into the tank.
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby WildBorego [OP] » January 14th 2021, 12:28am

AlpineVan wrote:This^

Test fuel pressure, make sure it's staying high with the key on (not cranking), and then observe if it drops while cranking.

I skimmed your thread quick, so forgive me if I missed it. But if you didn't already do the fuel pump/fuel filter, those are within the realm of normal maintenance items that you should replace anyway.

And seeing as you've had a ton of wiring issues, check the wires going to and into the tank.


Okay......

Update.

I have 65 psi with the Key Off but with the Delco spider inside the pressure does drop to 50 after 5 min so it's not really holding. So the Regulator is not really holding pressure after 20 mins it was down to 45

I was able to open the Hood thanks to you guys here!!!!
I put in another spider in cause I had a backup.... and that sucker is leaking instantly from the top (injector)
So I have 2 defects..... that's my guess.
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby AstroWill » January 14th 2021, 12:35am

Could also be the damper/pulsator in the tank leaking. That would cause it not to hold pressure.

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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby Leeann_93 » January 14th 2021, 12:42am

Yeah, don't assume the leak is under the plenum unless you can see it leaking.

Most of the time, it's the pulsator in the tank - that's the little piece of hose that connects the pump to the hanger assembly. Ethanol eats that piece up like it's candy.
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Re: 95 SAFARI

Postby WildBorego [OP] » January 14th 2021, 1:04am

Leeann_93 wrote:Yeah, don't assume the leak is under the plenum unless you can see it leaking.

Most of the time, it's the pulsator in the tank - that's the little piece of hose that connects the pump to the hanger assembly. Ethanol eats that piece up like it's candy.



After looking at the Delco Spider there is a crack alongside the plastic housing. So I'm guessing that someone returned it and it wasn't defected out or something but the second had an instant leaking on top so I know that one isn't anygood.
I guess ill try tomorrow with another one lol

At least I got the Hood Open. Dorman Cable ordered so I can close it and open it correctly.
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