[chevymaher]

I know how to settle all of this.The best year is the one you own.Nothing can compete with the one you can jump in, and go anywhere in.I rest my case.Would anyone else like to question the witness.

 

[RECox286]

Yes, if it please your honor... How many good Astros/Safaris have you owned ? Where were you on the night of the 17th ? Can you point to the person you saw hot wiring your ride ? how many more questions can I
ask before you figgure out how ridiculous this is ? Court adjourned...

Bob

 

[cowboydan]

the early carbs are just as reliable as any carb engine out there, the older ones have always needed more tune ups to maintain solid running. if that's not your thing, then i wouldn't recomend the early years. 94 being the last generation year would have the latest computer and the latest sensors for that generation. obd2 is a bit sketchy at first. 95 was a major split for the computers. 96 is almost the same. they got most of the bugs out by 98. anything after 98 will have the same sensors all the way up to the end. so from a computer reliability standpoint, 93 and 94 will be the most reliable. then 98 and up will be best choices for the computers. this pattern is the same for any manufacturer. any time you have a new generation, plan on 2 dud years for sure. it's a question. guys should try harder to answer the question rather than bantering why you won't...lol it's a question and not a difficult one.

 

[Phantom]

OBD2 computers are by far the best computers and as far as reliability is concerned neither system is really more reliable than the other ,,,it just depends on your level of skill in repairing cars ,,if you not much on dealing with the latest technology and want as close as you can get to a carb machine ,,then the Gen1 is the way to go . If you have experience with modern cars and modern technology or want to learn it then a Gen 2 is the way to go , there is not much difference at all between 96 and the newer ones ,, until you get to the 2007- 2008 cars , but even then it is just adding more features
95 still had the OBD1 computer on it ,
Statement of 93 94 being most reliable is not true , there is just less senors on them and not able to do some of the other stuff that newer cars can ,,new features and options as always come with newer years .Some people just have less skill than others do .Actually I prefer the 96 over the other years , but 96 -99 are nearly identical , just as few changes , 2000 had the BCM
Body Control Module starting in that year through 2005 . The new injection system that came on 2003 and newer can be easily installed on 96 and up vans to get that benefit .
It depends on what you want and what level of skill you have if you plan to do repairs yourself ,, if you gonna pay someone else , it won't matter
In any manner the newest you can get is 7 years old as now the 2012 cars are out , lik e any ride it matters more how well a vehicle is cared for , a new care that is not well cared for will be more problem than an old one that is well cared for

 

[cowboydan]

there are some 96 that are not vortec a friend of mine has one. what year was the 700r dropped for the 4l60? if your talking to me, you can just say cbd said and it's not true. not addressing me when picking apart my post makes you look... wierd, phantom. i have given my opinion while you were buisy bragging about your poor mpg. it's one thing to note randomly when in dissagreement, but to pick apart my post is like dissagreeing and ignoring me at the same time...lol what's it going to be

 

[zombie{[six]}]

there are some 96 that are not vortec a friend of mine has one. what year was the 700r dropped for the 4l60? if your talking to me, you can just say cbd said and it's not true. not addressing me when picking apart my post makes you look... wierd, phantom. i have given my opinion while you were buisy bragging about your poor mpg. it's one thing to note randomly when in dissagreement, but to pick apart my post is like dissagreeing and ignoring me at the same time...lol what's it going to be

:think: To my knowledge the 700r4 and TBI engines were dropped when the 95 models came out...
TBI w/700r4 was dropped for CPI w/4l60e in 1995. 1995-end came with Vortec engines

If he's got a TBI engine, its most likely a swap someone did

 

[Phantom]

there are some 96 that are not vortec a friend of mine has one. what year was the 700r dropped for the 4l60? if your talking to me, you can just say cbd said and it's not true. not addressing me when picking apart my post makes you look... wierd, phantom. i have given my opinion while you were buisy bragging about your poor mpg. it's one thing to note randomly when in dissagreement, but to pick apart my post is like dissagreeing and ignoring me at the same time...lol what's it going to be

Got a VIN number to back that up???? your friend would give you the VIN , post your friends VIN and we'll find out if that is factory original :mrgreen:
Not picking apart your post ,,just stating facts ,,,you bragging about poor mileage , no that makes you ...weird :lol: my mileage is good I but I don't brag about it ,, ,,but you make bragging claims of 34 mpg which everyone knows is not true ,,but you keep dreaming 4L60 is a renamed 700R4 and was discontinued in 93, replaced with the 4L60E came in 94 but the 4L60E has gone through various changes while retaining the same name,
Maybe you mistakenly thought it was a 96 but it could really be a 95 cause 95 has the same front fenders and grille as a 96 , but it still has OBD1 with a 94 style interior

The name Vortec came out in earlier year , but in 96 it was redesigned and called the new Vortec as it had more improvements that included Sequentially Fired Fuel injection SCPI whereas the older engines were batch fired CPI ,

 

[cowboydan]

you walked into it yet again. i don't need to post my mpg, you do it for me. i'll wait untill someone disproves me. i get bragging rights, cause bs walks and i'm still here. if you are really that tired of me, then prove me wrong by completing the list (it's the only way to prove me wrong). but you don't cause what if it is true...lol. you can say it's not true till your blue in the face. i'm not really bothered by it. keep with the norm phantom, it's just like you and you wear it averagly.

the op i think prefers reliability over milage anyway and that's normal. all you gotta do is pick one year / generation and list reasons why you think it could be. you could, run some part numbers and you might find some ineresting stuff .

you don't need to flex your muscles for an opinion. look phantom, i asked a question and i got an answer ( thanks zombi), but you didn't read that far. too buisy waiting for me to post something so you can go another round. phantom, you said my mpg couldn't be proved or dis proved. so instead of flapping your gums, disprove me. i'll put my tune up against your tune any day. and what ever you do, i will plus one you. cause you still haven't figured out the secret. i didn't hold it "lock and key". i have posted it several times.

edit: it's only a competition if your competitive. right now, your not.

 

[Phantom]

there are some 96 that are not vortec a friend of mine has one.

dan your post starts out with a statement not a question ,,, you state that not all 96 have a vortec , that is false. EVERY 96 came from the factory with a new vortec ,,,
Federal government requirement that all 96 vehicles to be OBD2 compliant , and the 95 was OBD1 and not compatible with OBD2 so that eliminates the idea of any OBD1 engines or transmissions having been installed on a factory built 96 vehicle

And again you brag about your mileage ,,even though you cannot prove it to be true ,,,I do not care if it is , but the only reason you brag about it is to get attention knowing full well it will never be shown to be real , because it is not realistic .

You being still here has nothing to do with any accuracy of your exaggerated mpg claims ,,,and no one cares if you are still here really you have run that mpg thing into the ground so deeply it is nearly reaching china :lol: :lol: ,,still with nothing but your opinion ,,you have not yet wised up to that no one believes you ,
Every time ,,every time anyone asks you for your so-called secret you will not say what it is ,,simply cause it does not exist ,, you get off on the attention you get when people ask you about it ,,, you know you don't get that mpg ... but you know you will get attention , which is what you really want :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[cowboydan]

i like how you speek for everyone phantom... that makes me laugh. all my friends get better milage than you. i don't need your attention, i have it. you hang off every word i say like your morning coffee. you're the one that keeps this up. you posted my milage in this thread, not me (thanks lacky). it would take a bigger man than you to knock me off my high horse...lol. as for what milage i get..... prove it aint so. if you really could, you would have done it. you don't and i save more money. that's the kiker here. if people wanted to save money, they would. they don't need to say thanks. if they don't, it aint my problem. and if nobody believes me, it ain't my money in their tank. it's ok. i'm not here to win popularity contests. you win. you got more friends than i..... but i got less knives in my back...lol... with friends like you.... who needs enemies. so if you don't care for my attitude, then put me on ignore. and stop walking into things... what do you take for a headache?? it's a retorical question :wink: unless you like getting other peoples posts locked. some friend you'd be eh

edit: to anyone else. if you don't try to get better milage.... you never will. shiny side up

 

[Phantom]

i like how you speek for everyone... that makes me laugh. all my friends get better milage than you. i don't need your attention, i have it. you hang off every word i say like your morning coffee. you're the one that keeps this up. you posted my milage in this thread, not me (thanks lacky). it would take a bigger man than you to knock me off my high horse...lol. as for what milage i get..... prove it aint so. if you really could, you would have done it. you don't and i save more money. that's the kiker here. if people wanted to save money, they would. they don't need to say thanks. if they don't, it aint my problem. and if nobody believes me, it ain't my money in their tank. it's ok. i'm not here to win popularity contests. you win. you got more friends than i..... but i got less knives in my back...lol... with friends like you.... who needs enemies. so if you don't care for my attitude, then put me on ignore. and stop walking into things... what do you take for a headache?? it's a retorical question :wink: unless you like getting other peoples posts locked. some friend you'd be eh

I don't speak for everyone ,, just noting what others have already said , and you know it :lol: :lol:
the whole mpg thing is your whole life , I don't care what mpg you get or your friends ,, but you seem find it necessary to bring your friends into a matter that is totally irrelevant , this is not your mpg thread , but you are trying to make it that ,

Your entire post is about YOU , and all about your desires,, so you continue to litter this thread with more of your ranting , you never learn , no matter how many tines you are told by the mods not to do it , you do whatever you want with no regard :naughty: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[cowboydan]

lmao. hit a nerve did i. what does my milage have to do with what is the best van year. you could have atleast put van in there somewhere. keep going, i'm not done my bag of popcorn.

 

[Phantom]

lmao. hit a nerve did i. what does my milage have to do with what is the best van year. you could have atleast put van in there somewhere. keep going, i'm not done my bag of popcorn.

:violin: :rofl: :rofl: you hit your head :banghead:

 

[cowboydan]

luv the parrot talk... that was a good come back, now wipe it off ur chin

 

[fasteddy]

I got a steady 18.5mpg from a 96 cargo, mixed city/hwy, calculated over 12k miles, speedo checked for accuracy. I can push that to 24 by doing dumb stuff like coasting down hills and egg under the foot accel habits, but I'm a menace in traffic. I'm a little pushy in traffic, so I know 20 is possible, just not likely.

Cargo is a lot lighter so it will do better. Getting rid of penalty weight will help you all.

I'd buy obd2, but I'm also very fond of tbi for the tunability.

And I'd like for the fussing children to take their little spat outside and settle it. Don't care to listen to either of you. Neither are amusing or intelligent enough to entertain me...

 

[Phantom]

I got a steady 18.5mpg from a 96 cargo, mixed city/hwy, calculated over 12k miles, speedo checked for accuracy. I can push that to 24 by doing dumb stuff like coasting down hills and egg under the foot accel habits, but I'm a menace in traffic. I'm a little pushy in traffic, so I know 20 is possible, just not likely.

Cargo is a lot lighter so it will do better. Getting rid of penalty weight will help you all.

I'd buy obd2, but I'm also very fond of tbi for the tunability.

And I'd like for the fussing children to take their little spat outside and settle it. Don't care to listen to either of you. Neither are amusing or intelligent enough to entertain me...

voicing your own negative opinion is not showing intelligence, neither entertaining , by following the the conversation you'd at least know what it is about :think: :think:

 

[cowboydan]

love how you're proud of riding peoples tails eddy. cause that's intellience at it's finest. i know how to handle guys like you. not at all.

 

[cowboydan]

would ya look at that phantom... we agree on sompin

 

[Phantom]

would ya look at that phantom... we agree on sompin

yepper :shhh: :lol:

 

[cowboydan]

hope he didn't become a member for that post?...lol